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Volkswagen New Beetle, Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Coupe, Hatchback
#2 of 22 No GTI?
Apr 19, 2002 (6:47 am)
I think it was a mistake to use the Beetle Turbo S instead of a GTI 1.8T. The GTI is closer is price to the others in the test and of course as the inventor of the Hot Hatch segment should have been given a role in the test (It is of course kind of annoying that the GTI is mentioned several places in the article but is not included). As it is, you should have included the RSX in the test. It is certainly a hatch, considering the Price of the Beetle is in the same price range, less if you stuck with the base version, and it would have also been interesting to see how the Civic and its Acura Sibling compare head to head.
Apr 19, 2002 (8:05 am)
but isn't the Beetle Turbo S' running gear the same as the GTi? I can't imagine there being much of a difference at all in track times, performance, etc...
By the way, does the Turbo S have the same brakes as the GTi? I can't remember. I want to say that the Turbo S might have bigger brakes, but I don't know.
#4 of 22 hatch's only?
Apr 19, 2002 (8:28 am)
Where's a Vibe GT or Matrix XRS? Is 3 doors a requirement?
Maybe the RSX, Celica and Eclipse were excluded because they're fastbacks.
#5 of 22 I don't know that I'd consider the Vibe/Matrix
Apr 19, 2002 (8:42 am)
a "hot" hatch even with the 180hp engine. I bet the lap times would bare that out. Now if TRD releases a version of the Matrix, then it might be a contender.
#6 of 22 0-60 mph
Apr 19, 2002 (10:24 am)
The Beetle's 0-60 time is too high.
"However, we will say it's possible that our test car was under-producing."
#7 of 22 Hi Folks - I'm not sure why they selected these particular vehicles...
Apr 19, 2002 (10:32 am)
and left others (i.e. gti, rsx) out. However keep in mind that the GTI, RSX, Celica GT-S, and Eclipse were included in Edmunds' recent 2001- 2002 Sports' Coupe Comparison. As a matter a fact most of the vehicles in the Sports' Coupe Comparison were also hatchbacks. Could be they wanted to use hatches they hadn't tested before, so the two reviews would not be too similar. Just a thought.
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#8 of 22 Comparo Test
Apr 21, 2002 (3:53 pm)
If the Focus SVT won, not enough competitors are out there, or somebody was NOT invited to the party.
#9 of 22 GTI versus Beetle Turbo S
Apr 22, 2002 (6:03 am)
The Turbo S has a 6 speed manual and the 1.8 Turbo version of the GTI currently is limited to a 5 speed (though there are going to be special editions this year and next that will have a 6 speed). While they are built on the same platform, I think the differences between the cars, both in the cockpit and in the dynamics (if for no other reason than the weight is distributed differently) is enough to warrent seperate consideration. Also the GTI would have been closer in price to the other cars in this comparo.
Apr 22, 2002 (7:55 am)
Yeah, I agree - the Porsche 911 Turbo was noticeably missing from the comparison test.