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Nissan Maxima, Mazda Millenia, Sedan
#28 of 212 July '98 C&D.
Apr 17, 2002 (10:41 am)
I am curious how they could report on anything having to do with the 2001/2002 Millenia in 1998.
All you have to do is go to a Mazda dealer and look inside. It is a highly luxurious and impeccably finished interior. While you are there, close a few doors and listen to the very satisfying thud of a very solidly built vehicle.
As far as interior size is concerned, the styling and design of the rear seat area is very obviously for two occupants, with the possibility for a third if they don't mind the hump in the middle.
And yes, it is fun to drive. Especially after the 2001 chassis stiffening.
Quote: "I paid $33K for a Max and the Millenia is $41K."
I can see you are in Canada, but I suggest you check on rebates anyway. I paid $21680 for my MM"P". That is about $35000 Canadian, depending on exchange rate on a given day. A long way from the $41000 you quote. An "S" would have run me about $37000 Canadian.
$33000 Canadian is agout $19800 US. Sounds like they ar doing some huge discounts on Maxima's up there. Even if that is a GXE.
#29 of 212 I'll jump in the fray
Apr 17, 2002 (10:43 am)
and tip my hand right now. I just took delivery of a Maxima two days ago. I never even looked at the MM because of it's reputation as an 'oldie' car... a reputation Nissan just barely avoided with the Max but hit square on the head with the Altima, IMO.
Anyway, call my silly, but I used Edmunds to compare the Max and MM side-by-side and the MM is *not* by any means superior. It does not have more options than the Maxima, the crash tests averaged out to identical... well, let's let edmunds tell the story:
(actual quotes from the comparisons)
MM: "Never a standout in terms of design"
MM: "Millenia's 170 horsepower is a bit wanting"
MM: "exhibits an excessively floaty ride"
MM: "Mazda considers the Nissan Maxima...to be the Millenia's primary competitors. That's heady company"
MM: "...given the Mazda's age, basic luxury amenities, interior packaging and dearth of performance capability... cannot arrive soon enough"
(those are not compliments, by the way)
Max: "lot of bang for the buck"
Max: "Maxima is more of an entry-level luxury sedan than a family sedan"
Max: "little reason to buy the Maxima's more expensive cousin, the Infiniti I35"
Styling isn't worth talking about. The MM looks like my grandmother's car if you ask me, but since it's all opinion, it doesn't matter.
Let's stick to facts. The options are similar, warranty same, crash test... too close to decide. So it comes down to reliability, engine, suspension, and preference, and according to edmunds the MM finished 9th, yes dead last, in the "Luxury Sedan" comparison while the Maxima SE (that's mine!) ended up "most wanted sport sedan under $30k." I also don't mind getting 0 to 60 almost 2 seconds quicker.
#31 of 212 2k2wannabe
Apr 17, 2002 (11:03 am)
Good to see another Max owner jump in.
Your post is extremely biased, but that is fine, and I also am biased to the Millenia.
Now you might try looking up the Edmunds owner ratings. Millenia owners give their cars an overall 9.3 out of 10. While Maxima owners give theirs 8.6 out of 10.
It has been my experience over 60 years, at least 45 of those as a car nut, that car tests invariably favor the hot rod cars. Living with a car is a different matter, and is reflected in the owner ratings of their own cars.
You have one swinging granny if she is driving anything as stylish as a Millenia.
#32 of 212 you are correct, sir!
Apr 17, 2002 (11:09 am)
She is a happenin' granny, thanks.
I wasn't going to comment on the consumer ratings because at 62 I didn't believe the Max had received enough 'opinions' to make it valid. But, it's *WAY* more valid than the 6 the MM has received. I guess what I'm trying to say is...
1. online polls are too biased to be of use. For example, jettamannc put "You HAVE to get one! " but rated it a 5.0. Another gave it a 3 because he thought the warranty period should be longer. I would *never* trust an online opinion....it's always coming from someone with baggage (good or bad).
2. if I were to look at an online opinion, anything less than a few hundred opinions is too few to even consider. The MM only has 6... with 2 more login names I could push that over 9.5 (but I won't). See how easy it is to fudge the system?
3. the guy who put a '1' for 'fun to drive' in the Max needs a kick in the head. I'm having a BLAST and I'm still in the break-in period so I haven't taken it over 3k rpm.
Of course we're all biased so, in the end, enjoy your car. I'm enjoying mine. And if someone says "mine's better because..." then he's got penile issues.
#33 of 212 wannabe.....
Apr 17, 2002 (11:10 am)
your'e comparing to a Millenia "P" and there, I agree, there is no comparison, think "S".....you never, although, mentioned anything about interior noise intrusion???...hmmm..wonder why???
Now, I'm not a Mazda enthusiast by any means, but am simply killing time with my 2000 S before my, (dealer held), RX-8 arrives next year. So I'm curious to know if when that arrives all you Maxima power nuts still going to say the Maxima has it beat b/c it has 5 more ponies (RX-8 supposed: 250hp)???
Apr 17, 2002 (11:25 am)
I guess it's a matter of taste and not to get too far off the subject...but I'll take the 350Z over the RX-8.
Apr 17, 2002 (11:31 am)
I'm half deaf in one ear and the other is going, so the back window could blow out and I *might* notice.
I keep finding "...supercharged v6 is whiny" and "0-60 in 8.2". Please let me know what the whiny supercharger can do 0-60... and the 16.2 in the 1/4 isn't too impressive either, so post a 1/4 mile time, too. I believe you'd be hard pressed to find a serious Maxima person who believes *any* magazine numbers. Get your RX-8 and take it to the track, or pull up next to one of us at a light a rev a little, then we'll see (just make sure I'm past my 1000 mile break-in!!!).
Until then, we all have penile issues (if that doesn't make sense, see end of post 31).
By the way, "noise intrusion" at the level that's happening in either of these cars isn't high on 90% of people's list of things to worry about. What's the decibel difference between my Max and your MM? If it's off by more than 4 dB I'll be surprised, and that's easily overcome by turning the radio knob one more click. I chose the SE knowing the suspension was going to transfer a little more road noise. I could have bought a GLE with softer suspension and different tires and had less 'noise intrusion' but I'm in the 90% on this one.
Seriously, since this is edmunds there must be some respect for them in their town hall. Read about 2001/2002 MM and Max in their reviews and you'll get the feeling Mazda could stop production of the MM and nobody would notice, while they *love* the Max. Really, read it, then come on back, ya-hear!
#36 of 212 Millenia---a car from the mid-90s
Apr 17, 2002 (11:41 am)
Also what are you doing using a comparison from 4 years ago?????
Hmm, you'll have to ask Mazda why they really haven't changed the car in much in 4 years.
fwatson, there is no 'P' here, just the S, and I just checked Mazda's website, it lists and $42.5K, no thanks. My Maxima is an SE an lists at $33900+freight. Leather and sunroof is an extra $3K. I really wouldn't have considered a Millenia since its not available with a manual.
The Millenia was a good mid 90s car. RIP.
Apr 17, 2002 (11:56 am)
Quote oilers1: "The Millenia was a good mid 90s car. RIP."
This confirms your own statement that you did not even take the time to check out the Millenia. If you had, You would know it is a beautiful and impecably finished car that just did not enter the horsepower war. Other than losing a drag race to the Max, it is in every way as modern mechanically and all other ways as the Max. Unless you are one of those who require a Navigation system. My road maps still work fine.