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#172 of 211 fwatson by gerapau Sep 06, 2002 (11:25 am)
billyperks: Not quite sure why speed68 can't come on this board and talk about the Maxima (take a look at the title of the topic).   fwatson: Not quite sure where you get your info that the Millenia is closer in size to the 5 series then to the 3 series. Maybe in exterior size but in interior size (where it counts) it is definately closer to the 3 series. The millenia has an interior volumn of 91.4 cu.ft. while the BMWs come in at 90.8 cu.ft and 94.9 cu.ft for the 3 series and 5 series sedans.
#173 of 211 ftwatson by speedracer3 Sep 06, 2002 (11:27 am)
Oh how you over simplify. I can point out to a number of things that make the Maxima superior.   1)Engine- not size but quality...VQ35/VQ30 all the way. 2)Automatic Tranny- The auto on the MM is in one word terrible. 3)Ergonomics- Maxima's ergonomics are superior to the MM. 4)Performance/Handling- Maxima is superior here. 5)Stereo- The stereo on the MM is mediocre..the Maxima has an awesome standard unit. 6)Interior Size/Comfort- A lot more room to stretch out and be comfortable, the MM is crammed.   Plus things you cannot even get on a Millenia: Nav system 6 speed. Xenon lights
#174 of 211 Pet peave by getz1 Sep 06, 2002 (12:29 pm)
I'm amazed at all the millenia handles better than the max posts lacking statistical evidence. Show me a skid pad for the millenia, or braking from 70, etc. I have a hard time believing that the millenia can out handle the max without a limited slip diff, and smaller wheels/less agressive tires. If you can find evidence, then we can debate the issue. Same goes for the quality control issue. Maxima is still built in japan, and has exceptional consumer report ratings. I have no clue how anyone can state so definetively that the millenia is a superior vehicle, based on what? How does it surpass the max in luxury, I have a heated steering wheel for pete's sake. I guess brand loyalty runs deep. However, I have always been of the mindset of buying the highest quality vehicle that fits within my price range, and considering bang for the buck the max is vastly superior to the mazda. Compare the 2 cars side by side on edmunds and judge yourself.    And Tomekk, are you sure you didn't have the 3-series stuck in D4, because I drove an automatic 1999 E46 323i for 2 years and on the highway the tach was below 3000 at 80-85 mph. BMWs 5 speed auto has very tall gearing (autobahn car) so it sounds dubious to have one pushing 3600 rpm at 70 mph.
#175 of 211 fwatson... shame on you by 2k2wannabe Sep 06, 2002 (1:20 pm)
I thought we were going to stop this bickering!   Why are we still arguing this? The Max is bigger, better engine, as reliable (if not more), as 'praised' by the car industry (if not more), and liked as much by its owners (if not more).   I won't talk styling, it's too personal. I like the look of my car and think Mazda hasn't had a good looking car since the original RX7... it's all about taste, which doesn't factor in a discussion about 'performance' and 'superior car.'   The MM is a nice car... smaller, slower, more complex engine requiring more $$ when it's time to fix. I'm not knocking it like you're knocking the Maxima (but now I will).   My points... poing 3... I think my car handles well now, but for $150 for an RSB and FSTB I can make my car handle *significantly* better than yours. How much would it take for you to make your car as fast as mine?   point 2... Here is what Edmunds has to say about the MM (notice the highway ride comment under 'cons'):   Pros Attractive exterior styling and interior design, supercharged Millenia S engine, competitive price.   Cons Cramped interior, weak base engine, lack of brand cache, floaty highway ride, aging platform.   What Edmunds.com Says Not really a luxury car and not really a sport sedan, Millenia is past its expiration date.   and lastly, point #1... if the MM is such a superior car, why has the market let it die? All I have to say is my car is nice enough that the people bought lots of them, and the manufacturer decided to make it again next year.   peace out.
#176 of 211 fwatson... shame on you by fwatson Sep 06, 2002 (2:14 pm)
Aha, I understand now. Pro Maxima=good Pro MM=bad.   That certainly seems reasonable, at least from your point of view. Don't worry, I have more important things to do than hang around here reading your Pro Max, Boo MM sentiments. Enjoy spreading your personal opinions.   Later
#177 of 211 fwatson, I was just kidding by 2k2wannabe Sep 06, 2002 (4:40 pm)
not about which car is better, of course   A-member me? We had a good argue in April and came to the mutual conclusion both cars are pretty nice.   (I just prefer my Max...)
#178 of 211 getz1 by tomekk Sep 06, 2002 (6:47 pm)
As to BMW 3 series RPM at 70mph - I test drove 325i with manual transmission. I was in 5th gear. Engine drone was just awful. Take one for a test drive yourself. Tomek
#179 of 211 getz1 - handling by tomekk Sep 06, 2002 (6:55 pm)
Do you know your Maxima has torsion beam rear suspension? Like Dodge Spirit or Plymouth Acclaim, circa 1989... All I'm saying is 2001 Millenia S handled better - in my opinion - that a 2001 Maxima. I test drove both and picked the Millenia (with 17 inch low profile tires, and front and rear stabilizer bars on fully independent suspension, I might add). If you have time to go and dig for skipad and slalom numbers, go ahead. In the meantime, I'll watch "The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" on DVD... But here's what Edmunds shows for slalom and braking: Millenia S (yes, made in Japan, not in South Africa like BMW 3-series) - slalom speed 61.4 - braking 60-0 123 feet Nissan Maxima SE with 222HP engine - slalom speed 58.6 - braking 126 feet Of course Maxima is faster 0-60... Good night TOmek
#180 of 211 tomekk by 2k2wannabe Sep 07, 2002 (8:17 pm)
where did you get the slalom numbers? I looked around edmunds and couldn't find it. I was looking for stuff like that when I wanted to buy a new car and didn't find it here.   also, the numbers you used for the Maxima were for a 2k1. What are the 2k2 numbers?
#181 of 211 Tomekk by getz1 Sep 08, 2002 (5:37 am)
2002 Maxima (C/D) Roadholding 0.82g Braking 70-0 182 ft 0-60 6.0 sec 1/4 mile 14.7 sec at 97 mph   Sorry, couldn't find anything other than edmunds numbers on the millenia. Don't bother pulling yourself away form the misadventures of Ford Prefect and the gang. Looks like the glaring difference between the two is 0-60, but like someone said earlier, not everyone wants to go fast. Thanks for informing me about the rear beam suspension, I had no clue. I will put the car up for sale in the morning. By the way did you know your car takes 8.2 seconds to hit 60 mph, be careful trying to pass that circa 1989 Dodge Spirit or Plymouth Acclaim on that 2 lane country highway. Hmmm, do I trade a hardly noticeable if at all existent cornering difference between the max and the millenia for 45 horsepower, naw. Oh, and termination of millenia production can't be good for resale value either. As far as test driving the 5 speed BMW 3-series, I have extensively, as I was originally planning on replacing my 99 323i with an 02 325i. Still find it extremely hard to believe you were pushing 3600+ rpm at 70-75 mph in 5th gear. As far as the 3-series being buzzy, you are perhaps the first to note so. It is a sports sedan so you aren't completely isolated from the road, but the inline six in the BMW is more or less sewing machine quiet. Later -Getz

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