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Replying to: spiritinthesky (May 24, 2006 6:09 pm) In the spirit of compromise, I would agree. The old 911's don't do much for me visually. And the 328 can still turn heads on a dark night. |
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Replying to: spiritinthesky (May 24, 2006 6:09 pm) I thought, however, that one of the earlier posts missed the point with all the number crunching regarding Porsches and Ferraris. It reminded me of the "Evo, M3 or 355?" posts I see on other sites, which must leave 355 owners scratching their heads. I would say that Porsche buyers often make these sensible calculations about downtime, oil change intervals and such, while Ferrari buyers don't. My brother sold his 911 and is hesitating on an Aston or another exotic after seeing the shop receipts. I saw stacks of Ferrari shop receipts before I owned one, said "ouch" and then bought anyway. Likely nearly every 360 owner knew what it cost to maintain the car before they signed on. There's more than a bit of "heart over mind" involved here (seeing as this is the Ferrari Lovefest topic...) To stretch the analogy more than it might deserve, it's a bit like saying the Mona Lisa is far more expensive than quality wallpaper. In some sense, we feel we got a "good deal" due to the intangibles. At any rate congrats on your new 997. They are superb cars, period. If you ever need a carsitter, my references are top notch. Enjoy it. |
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Billymay, glad to hear you're enjoying the car. Without getting into the the Porsche/Ferrari thing to heavily I'll just put in my 2 cents by saying they are both great marques with very different appeal. I can't think of any two marques that are more polar opposites in approach to the same problem. Obviously, for me, I love Ferraris and appreciate Porsches and respect the reverse opinion. Spiritinthesky, I know 328s that are pretty much daily drivers. Before my commute became an hour each way, mine was a daily car in good weather. When it isn't pouring rain, I still take it to work a couple of times a week and generally at least have it out for a few miles daily. There are a number of Ferrari models I wouldn't drive as much, but 328s are solid, drivable cars. Anyway, congrats to both of you. Enjoy your cars! |
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I am a Porsche enthusiast who is looking to make the jump to Ferrari. I am looking for advice on the 360 Coupe - what to look for in buying a pre-owned 360, what I should expect to pay (2001 - 2003 model year), as well as how best to source a pre-owned 360 (delaer or private). I have been to my local Ferrari dealer on a few occassions and found them to be arrogant and generally unhelpful. Also, any advice anyone can provide on the 430 Coupe would also be helpful, especially what I should expect to pay for a 2005/2006 version, and how best to locate one. I am new to the Ferrari message board and appreciate any advice that you may have. |
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Replying to: zak1964 (Jul 20, 2006 8:11 am) Frankly, I'm glad I didn't. The 360 is a very nice car, without a doubt. However, the 430 is a enormous jump in performance for a nominal increase in price. But a bigger issue than performance is daily driveability - and that's an issue for me with both models, as my prior posts indicate. Part of the reason I could have gotten the 360 at a relatively good price was that the dealership insulted my friend with a low-ball trade offer because his 360 was considered a "high mileage" car. At a whopping 28,000 miles in nearly 4 years. If you are seriously interested in a 430, I would suggest getting on a dealer list for a new one. Another business associate paid MSRP ($175k +/-) for a 430 Coupe, Yellow/Black 6-speed manual. He was originally told it would take 2 years, he had the car less than 1 year after placing a deposit. He could sell it for a $30,000 to $50,000 premium today (the dealer currently has a 430 F1 Spider with 800 miles for $60,000 over MSRP, but it is "used" so they can freely charge whatever the market will bear). You should be able to find a reputable dealer that will stick to MSRP pricing for a new car ordered to your specs. I'm not sure what current wait times are. I had been talking to Ferrari of Washington (DC) some time back. The 6-speed had a shorter wait than an F1 and a Coupe had a shorter wait than a Spider. Me, I decided to go with Porsche and am expecting delivery of my 2007 911 Turbo (switched from 911 S) in October/November. I epect at this time next year it will be turning 10,000 miles on the odometer. Good luck. |
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Replying to: billymay (Dec 21, 2005 11:20 pm) I completely agree and is THE reason why I have both 
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Replying to: zak1964 (Jul 20, 2006 8:11 am) Prices for any used modern Ferrari are HEAVILY dependent on: 1. Mileage. Miles that are "nothing" to a Porsche's value can be crippling to a Ferrari's value. Anything over 30,000 miles and the depreciation curve gets very steep. 2. Service records. Not what the owner SAYS, but actual records of services done. No records = much lower value and much lower resale 3. Car's known history. Do NOT rely on CARFAX to tell you if the Ferrari you are thinking of buying wasn't wrapped around a pole. It's a good first start, but you should be able to trace the car's history from owner to owner and be able (hopefully) to interrogate the owner or the owner's representative about the car. 4. Inspection! Even something as seemingly minor as an oil leak can translate into a large repair bill. Remember, fan belts are $100 bucks a pop on these cars, and brakes and rotors all around, or a new clutch---that can sting. So a thorough inspection is money well well spent. There is no used Ferrari shortage last time I looked. So take your time and talk to people who know these cars.
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I hope not but I was struck by the relative paucity of Italian Exotica at the Phoenix/Scottsdale auctions this week. Shelbys of all kinds abounded but I saw perhaps three or four Ferraris on the block. 
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