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#697 of 736 Congrats Billymay
Jan 05, 2006 (7:18 pm)
on the 328. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. By the way, only 45 were built in Nero Metallico, you and I now account for two. Andys120, my guess is a clone probably on a Corvette base. The body looks suspiciously bulbous to me and that price wouldn't put a down payment on a real California Spyder. Nearly any 250 series spider is going to go for at least twice that. New Year's wishes to everyone.
#699 of 736 Re: Congrats Billymay [tsaupe1]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:07 pm)
Thanks tsaupe. How did you get the production figures for that paint code? I have Keith Bluemel's Original Ferrari V-8 book -- gives total production, but it doesn't break it down by color, or country for that matter.
#700 of 736 Production Numbers
Jan 11, 2006 (8:46 pm)
Billymay, Those number come from the factory. I checked with them through the owner's site. It's well worth registering if you haven't already. Nero Metallico is an unusual paint for Ferrari across the board. When you add in all the other differences between cars, you might find you're more unique than you think. For instance, of the 328s in that colour, I've found out that mine is the only one with the full Schedoni interior. I've found one other (in Japan) which has the same interior colour (wine) but has the black dash top and arm rests.
As for websites, I also highly recommend joining Ferrari Chat, if you haven't already. Great info and a nice group of people. Not unlike this forum! Is the 30K done yet? I'm curious to hear your impressions when you've had the car on the road for a bit. I've had the good fortune to own a few Ferraris and until I get my next, I love this one the most!
Best of luck and happy motoring!
#704 of 736 Re: 355/360 questions [habitat1]
Apr 29, 2006 (5:19 pm)
...Listen to "enzo4re"...This guy knows what he's talking about. After owning two Ferraris (a Mon dial and then a 355 which I should have never sold!), I bought a 2002 911 Turbo X-50 with 2100 miles in absolutely mint factory type condition. The first owner who had it for 2100 miles paid 154k for it. I bought it a year later for 116k...I put only 4000 miles on the car and just sold it today for 85k.
The car was perfect. Now if you think I got a bad deal, think again. This was the best offer by far after listing it on E-Bay and taking it to four local Porsche dealers, none of which who would even take it on consignment! E-Bay had 295 Porsche's listed for sale. The after market has virtually evaporated for the higher end Porsches. And when the new 07's come out with 480HP the 04-06's will go in the toilet just like the 2000-2003 Turbo X50's did when the new Turbo Carrera S came out.
As for driving it everyday. Yah...you can do that but maintenance ain't cheap at the Porsche dealer either, and the darn car, with the sluggish "tiptronic" simply is no fun to drive. And you virtually can't tell a 165k Turbo Porsche from a 65k Carrera on the outside so why bother?
What did I do with my money from the Porsche sale?
Just bought a 2003 360 Modena coupe with a six speed manual shift and 5400 miles. For the first time in over two years driving is now fun again...Nothing sounds...looks... nor drives like a Ferrari.
I'm like a kid in a candy store!
#705 of 736 Re: 355/360 questions [fghton]
Apr 30, 2006 (6:01 am)
I'm glad to hear that you're happy again, but I think we are on opposite ends of the sports car spectrum when it comes to use, enjoyment and value.
I've put 6,200 miles on my 911S Cab in the past 7 months. I expect that rate to increase now that spring is here. You put 4,000 miles on the 2002 911 Turbo in 3+ years. Quick math indicates about 100 miles a month for you, 1,000 miles a month for me. Hell, my daughters have probably logged 300+ miles a month in the rear seats. Your 4 year/48,000 mile warranty expired with 42,000 miles UNUSED. I'm contemplating extending mine to a 7/75 or 7/100.
There is no doubt that a Ferrari is a more unique car and, if driven very lightly, a better garage queen investment than the 911. But, according to the Ferrari dealer I spoke with, he was unaware of any 360's that had reached 35k miles on their odometer, in the country. He actually suggested getting a 911 if I intended to drive 10,000 to 12,000+ miles a year.
Frankly, I'm not sure what brand of dope the previous owner was smoking when he paid $154k for a 2002 911TT/X50. (Nor what kind of dope anyone would smoke to buy a 911TT with a tiptronic). I could buy a loaded 2007 6-speed 997 Turbo today for about $140k (base MSRP of around $125k).
On the other hand, if you managed to take $85k and turn that into a 2003 360 Modena 6-speed, you got one hell of a deal. And for someone who drives about 1/2 of the miles that my wife runs on a monthly basis, I think you made a great choice. But if I turned in our "family sports car" for a two seater garage queen, I'd be facing the wrath of three women who could make my life miserable.
#706 of 736 Re: 355/360 questions [habitat1]
May 14, 2006 (3:12 pm)
Having gone from a 911 (993) to a Ferrari (328), I finally understand why other Ferrari owners thought I was clueless to make comparisons. My Porsche was a really nice car, and no doubt it's a better everyday driver than the Ferrari. But the sound, the looks and feel of driving the 328 really make the 911 irrelevant. I've also had people just walk up to me at the gas station to admire the car and ask questions.
I don't think Ferrari owners do all this number crunching (15,000 miles a year, depreciation = $n, etc.) It's a Ferrari and you know it's irrational to start, so discussions with Porsche people (my brother is one) tend to be two guys talking past each other. Honestly, the last owner put a $2500 exhaust on my car, and whether he got another 2bhp out of it I don't know. But it sounds amazing so who cares.
IMHO, someone would have to smoking something to pay six figures for any flavor 911, when there are ROWS of them on used car lots and unless you read a lot of car mags they all look the same.
Don't get me wrong, I like Porsches and I might pick up a Cayman as a daily driver at some point, but there's a night-and-day type of difference between my Ferrari and my ex-Porsche. (And yes, the Porsche is a better-engineered car, hands down.)
Tsaupe: I'm loving the car - have now had it since January. 30K major w/water pump rebuild was done at Sport Auto in NC; having the front bumper resprayed to clean up some stone chips. Apart from a minor problem with a window switch the car's been excellent thus far. It does like to be properly warmed up, and then it really comes to life (gearbox especially). Was worried the Tubi might be too loud, but I like it. I had doubts about not getting a red car, but the nero met/tan actually looks better, IMO.