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I've always considered the Dino one of the most beautiful automobiles ever made and I'm glad to hear that Ferrari (or Pininfarina) is not trying to duplicate it in any way. Every retro looking design I've seen just doesn't seem to work I was unaware of Lussos being raced. Do you have any more info on that? We lost use of the 328 for a few weeks this summer due to a variety of 17 year old car problems which all struck at the same time. Vacuum hoses, an O2 sensor and finally a water pump, which failed while they were warming up the car for the inspection sticker, meant that we were Ferrari less for two weeks of great weather. So we're hoping for one of those lovely, long, New England Autumns so that we can make up for it!
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Replying to: tsaupe1 (Sep 08, 2005 5:29 pm) Have you seen the movie biography of Ferrari called (appropriately) Enzo Ferrari? It's a halfway decent movie, but a little quick to steal plot devices from Citizen Kane. |
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I've heard about it but haven't seen it yet. Where did you find a copy? Of course, both Kane (and his real life counterpart) and Ferrari were larger than life, so I guess I could forgive the theft. This is the one made originally for Italian TV or something, isn't it?
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Replying to: tsaupe1 (Sep 09, 2005 6:01 pm) |
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Ferrari has just announced the new 430 Challenge car. Built strictly for competition it uses the same engine and output as the 430, but is considerably lighter. It also features carbon/ceramic brakes, a redesigned central exhaust system, new ratios in the final drive and 5th and 6th gear. No drivers aids like traction control, etc. Oh, and special to the car Pirelli slicks. The challenge series used to be for (admittedly well-to-do) amateurs and owners. For perhaps 5-6K more you could get a competition Ferrari to play with on weekends. this car sounds a lot more like you need the car, the crew and bottomless pockets to run. On another note, this is the 30th anniversary of the 308 GTB/S. My assistant at work was commenting, as he paged through my copy of Forza, how great looking the 308/328 cars are. Especially since they are "sooooo old, I mean, that's like 5 years before I was born!" I told him how some designs age better than others, that I had lusted after that shape since it was introduced, When I was his age. I felt very old. So I fired him! 
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| This month's Forza Magazine lists another top ten. Among the judges was Piero Ferrari. Although similar to MT's there are interesting differences including the 250 GTE. They credit the car for keeping Ferrari afloat in the early 60s. Huzzah! Strike a blow for the lowly 2+2s! | |
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I have been looking at 456's as my entry into the Ferrari world. What I like about that car is greater space compared to the 348 or 355 which I love the lines on. Does anyone have comments on the 456 as to longevity [some now have upwards of 20k miles], repair requirement records, performance, or other personal views? Also, those with comments on 348 and 355 I would appreciate hearing. Thanks!
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Replying to: neal4218 (Sep 21, 2005 7:22 am) I own a 456m and a 355B, the 2 could not be more different. Both awesome in their own right but made for different purposes. 355B- outright balls-to-the-wall drop dead gorgeous loud(gota have a Tubi exhaust) V8 380bhp rev happy sports car that will send tingles down your spine everytime you take it out  .. IMO the nicest and best sounding modern ferrari of them all. With the 360 and now 430 ferrari have gone in a different direction with cars having more electroinc aids  while becoming bigger and heavier like every other modern car nowadays The 355 was the last incarnation of the old school cars starting with the Dino in the last 60's(progression being Dino, 308, 328, 348, 355). It is a classic. 456M- Different ball of wax completly. Was designed as a GT car for the family heading off to the proverbial ski house 5 hours away down the autobahn. Obviously much less in your face design wise and alot queiter both inside and out(again Tubi exhaust a must here IMO). Less rev happy than the 355 but much more torquier with a massive v12 440bhp up front grunt and in a straight line it will eat anything on the road including the 355. The 2+2 nature of this car makes it the family ferrari if you will. I have a booster in the back seat and I love taking my kids with me to share the experience. The 456's are heavily depreciated now and they are a terrific buy for your ferrari $$. Understated, classy and elegant, Pinnin Farina himself is on record as saying the 456 is one of his favorite designs and that is saying something! So it really depends what you are looking for....a weekend screamer for blasts in the backroads or more of a user friendly GT car that can carry more than 2 people. Whichever you choose you wont be dissapointed. Just make sure you do your due diligence and have a through PPI performed before you even think about buying anything. One more thing....do not be overly concerned about finding low mileage cars..these cars get better the more they are driven so dont be afraid of higher mileage cars, generally these are the ones that have been serviced and maintained well by previous owner. Good luck. |
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Thanks for this good information. I sensed the same differences. Would there be some unique service or maintenance issues with the 456? For example, some engine or cooling or transmission [I will only consider the gated manual box] that I need to be particularly aware of? Also, should one even consider a car that the service records are missing or unavailable for or one that never had any service performed at a licensed dealer? I have no experience with my local dealership {Ferrari of Washington], but dealers from other makes don't always have the most careful or skillful mechanics, so I am not sure what to expect with Ferrari on dealer servicing vs. local shop servicing. How skeptical should one be of a car that may have non-factory aftermarket parts installed? Someone earlier in this forum said, "there is Ferrari and then there is everything else". What is a reliable way to get a PPI for a car that may be several hundred miles away? By the way, is there something about the 456 that has caused it to have depreciated so heavily? And where would be some good places to start looking for one? Again thanks.
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Replying to: neal4218 (Sep 22, 2005 1:36 am) -Your welcome. Would there be some unique service or maintenance issues with the 456? -Unique, no not by ferrari standards. A major belt service will need to be performed every 5 years or 30k miles. Should cost approx $5-6k at a dealer and a little less at a good independent. After that its up to you. Personally I get all fluids changed once a year which I feel is a good idea. I would budget for annual maintenance of between $1-2k and that should cover most eventualities. For example, some engine or cooling or transmission [I will only consider the gated manual box] that I need to be particularly aware of? -Yes, manual 6 speed is the way to go , you will have to look for them as they can be harder to find than the auto which most 456's came with. The 456 engine and drivetrain is very robust, if you stick to the newer M models 1999-2003 you should be fine. One thing that all 456's have an issue with is poorly sealing front door windows, you will have to be aware of this and try and find a car that has had this issue resolved by PO. Its a very expensive fix ($8k) so let the PO pick up the tab on this one. Also, should one even consider a car that the service records are missing or unavailable -Nope, stay away. A very bad sign. Any well cared for care will have a good paper trail. or one that never had any service performed at a licensed dealer? -I wouldnt worry to much about a licensed dealer not doing it, there are many ex-dealer mechanics that went out on their own and are just as good if not better at servicing than the dealer. Just make sure that whoever did the work is known for dealing with ferraris. I have no experience with my local dealership {Ferrari of Washington} - I have heard good things about FOW so I would not worry about them. so I am not sure what to expect with Ferrari on dealer servicing vs. local shop servicing -FWIW, I use a local independent for routine stuff and the dealer in my area for the big service. How skeptical should one be of a car that may have non-factory aftermarket parts installed? -Well it depends, If there are after market parts under the hood, I would raise an eyebrow at that. If its some non-factory wheels or other easily fixed cosmetic that might be ok. Either way as a potential buyer I would make sure to ask that everything is returned to stock factory before I buy. If this causes the seller to balk walk away..end of story. Someone earlier in this forum said, "there is Ferrari and then there is everything else". -Very true What is a reliable way to get a PPI for a car that may be several hundred miles away? -visit the website ferrarichat.com, introduce yourself and ask for suggestions on a place for a PPI in that particular city. Its a great ferrari enthusiast website and you will get all the help you need there. Also use the search button and you will find alot of answers to your questions. We have all been where you are now and this website will really help you out. By the way, is there something about the 456 that has caused it to have depreciated so heavily? -Nope, its a 2+2 ferrari and thus in the ferrari pecking order less desirable than the 2 seater cars. Every 2+2 ferrari ever made has the same image/depreciation problem...the new 612 2+2 costing $250k+ will probably be selling for half that if not less in 3/4 years. Dont complain, because it allows the prudent buyer to pick up a great bargain for a relatively new car. As a guide typically ferraris tend to flaten out on the depreciation curve at about 60/65% off MSRP. After that you should see minimal depreciation. Although like any car these modern ferraris are not investments and dont try and convince your self otherwise. Its like the old saying if you have to ask you cant afford one....alot of truth there. Drive it often and sell it when you are ready to move on..it will be worth what's it worth then. And where would be some good places to start looking for one? -Start by asking this question on ferrarichat.com. Also I happen to know of a great 1999 456m that Ron Tonkin has for sale. Also go to www.ferrariusa.com and check out marketplace section. Its a great car and most of the M models are pretty bullet proof. Just make sure you do your homework on any car considered. |
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