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#617 of 729 New styling...... by andys120 Dec 11, 2004 (12:12 pm)
I'll restrict my comments on the new Superamerica and F430 to the styling, since there's little chance I'll ever get to drive either :=(   The Superamerica is a disappointment to me and not worthy of that august name. The original Superamericas were the very top-the-line Ferraris and featured bold styling that was shared with no other Ferraris but the new car is simply a derivative of the Maranello, IMO the least distinguished of the current lineup from a design standpoint.   Back in the day of the glorious 250 Ferraris Enzo's personal Ferrari was the 400 Superamerica. I doubt the Commendatore would chose the new one for his ride if he were living.   The new F430, OTOH, has a great look. The nostrils are much more shaped and styled than the simple over size holes that mar the visage of the 360 Modena. It doesn't hurt that the new nose resembles that of Phil Hill's F1 Dino 246 and some of the Chiti designed sports racers.   The Enzo-style tailights are IMO less successful. I wish Ferrari would stick with the simple four round t/l designs that have been part of their design language for so long.   All in all bravo!
#618 of 729 by tsaupe1 Dec 13, 2004 (8:58 am)
Andy, I can't say I agree with you about the Superamerica, although I definetly understand your sentiments. The new car is obviously signalling the end of the 575, just as the Barchetta did for the 550. It's not an original design, But I'm not convinced it defames the name.   I saw Enzo's Superamerica go at auction at Monterey a few years ago, and there's a great shot of it in the movie "Grand Prix." It truly is a beautiful car. But, it's also the pinnacle of design ideas from that era. Whereas I agree that the F430 certainly reaches towards those heights now. Also, I agree that the taillights don't work, however I'll reserve final judgment until I see it in the flesh.
#619 of 729 Happy Holidays to one and all by tsaupe1 Dec 24, 2004 (2:35 pm)
Just sitting here on Xmas Eve wondering how Santa is going to get that 550M down the chimney and out through the wood stove without scratching the paint. Gosh, I hope he got my letter!   Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to all. Best wishes for a healthy and happy New Year.   Tom Replies to this message: ksccts (Dec 24, 2004 7:45 pm)
#620 of 729 Re: Happy Holidays to one and all [tsaupe1] by ksccts Dec 24, 2004 (7:45 pm)
Replying to: tsaupe1 (Dec 24, 2004 2:35 pm) Thanks, Tom. same to you.   Keith
#621 of 729 trickle down by tsaupe1 Jan 19, 2005 (10:25 am)
It's interesting that with the very strong prices for high end Ferraris at the Monterey auctions and other auctions since, that the low end cars are beginning to enjoy a come back. Albeit modest, lately GT4s have been selling back in the mid 20K range, for very good cars. Sure you can still get problems for under 20k, but that's true of any model.   There also seems to be a resurgence of interest in early carbed 308s and 328s are holding pretty strong prices as well. Is this trickle down, all the F1 wins or signs of a rising economy.   It has always seemed that the middle end of the collector car market was the first to fall away in bad time and the last to come back in good times. Is this a sign of hope?
#622 of 729 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jan 20, 2005 (8:58 am)
You can't give away a carbed 308 in California, which is a huge Ferrari market (can't smog 'em). I think any resurgence is just people not knowing what they are buying and snapping up the low end because they see the high end going up. So it's trickle down but not necessarily a good thing for the buyer.   What you want is an '82 on up FI car or a 328.
#623 of 729 F430 by merc1 Jan 20, 2005 (10:35 pm)
I got to see the F430 in Detroit last weekend. Man what a car! The most aggressive looking Ferrari in my short time of studying them. I mean this car is pure aggression. I can't wait to see what they'll do for the Stradale version in a couple of years. The Spyder version will be shown at Geneva in March.   M
#624 of 729 by tsaupe1 Jan 21, 2005 (1:56 pm)
Interesting about California. i guess on this coast we're not so tough in emissions standards for older cars. A number of people prefer the older carbed cars because their performance (the car's not the people's) is better. I agree about the 328. It really is the best of the series and perhaps one of the easiest Ferraris to live with. I know I love mine.   And yes, the more I see and read about the 430, the more impressive it becomes. It's going to compete very well with the Gallardo which suffers from Lambos poor QC reputation. IMHO, deservedly.
#625 of 729 by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jan 22, 2005 (10:14 am)
Unless you know what you're doing with old Weber carbs you are going to have a hell of a time keeping them "just right".
#626 of 729 by tsaupe1 Jan 22, 2005 (11:38 am)
I remember when the back of every Road & Track had ads for a Unysn tool. Even with that, I couldn't get the Webers on my Lotus right!   One of the most enjoyable days I ever at the shop that cares for my Ferrari was spent watching the mechanic set up the 4 Webers on my GT4 by ear. It's always a pleasure to watch a real master at work! This particular gentleman is a former Technical Director for Ferrari NA and "cut his teeth" on multiple Weber Fcars. Replies to this message: andys120 (Jan 22, 2005 11:44 am)

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