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#890 of 1765 Re: Oil change intervals.... [misterme] by stevedebi Sep 15, 2004 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: misterme (Sep 15, 2004 1:33 pm) "2004 HCH manual says oil change every 10K under normal use and 5K for severe conditions. "   Thanks for posting that; some previous posts had indicated a different mileage interval due to the different engine. Replies to this message: accordguy1 (Sep 17, 2004 10:10 am)
#891 of 1765 Advice Please by accordguy1 Sep 17, 2004 (10:10 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 15, 2004 3:19 pm) Hello everyone... I currently have a '97 accord se sedan. I love it's peppy ride but I'm planning to get a new accord within a couple of years. Here's my dilema: 4 cylinder accord has good mileage but sluggish with a heavy load 6 cylinder accord has bad mileage and the low torque seems kinda sluggish too the new hybrid accord seems the like the "perfect" car with power and mileage but I'm concerned about the "new" technology: 1) I live up in Boston and I've heard that the batteries don't work as well in the cold. 2) Any premium $ for the hybrid I'd make up over the life since I'd keep it for 150-200K miles but I've heard that the batteries would be expensive to replace? Do any of you Civid Hybrid owners have any insight of my concerns? Thank you...
#892 of 1765 Accord by misterme Sep 17, 2004 (8:01 pm)
"I live up in Boston and I've heard that the batteries don't work as well in the cold."   I know of a few hybrid owners in the Northern states that have no issues when the batteries are cold.   "Any premium $ for the hybrid I'd make up over the life since I'd keep it for 150-200K miles"   If you keep your cars that long (As I do) you should break about even at the end for the price premium. When gas prices sky rocket again the premium will look better.   Breaking even is not a bad thing though. You'll be driving one of the most technically advanced autos they make, likely with alot of extras, be saving fuel and filling up less often.   "I've heard that the batteries would be expensive to replace?"   I've heard that if you were to replace the entire battery pack it would cost around $1500. However the pack consists of numerous "D" size NiMH batteries and there is speculation that they may be tested and replaced individually.   I have an extended warranty that covers the car 70K/7YR B2B and 150K/10YR on the battery.
#893 of 1765 Re: I have the same thoughts... [isellhondas] by rfruth Sep 18, 2004 (3:18 pm)
Replying to: isellhondas (Sep 12, 2004 10:43 am) Honda Civic Hybrid commercial with the kid at the school science fair   http://www2.kluge.net/Civic.mov   It's 2.2 MB in size. Replies to this message: paul12 (Sep 19, 2004 6:34 pm)
#894 of 1765 Re: I have the same thoughts... [rfruth] by paul12 Sep 19, 2004 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: rfruth (Sep 18, 2004 3:18 pm) I just wanted to get started by sending a message. Recently bought Civic Hybrid. Only 300 miles so far. It is a 2005. I have to admit it was more the technology than anything else that interested me. I'm sure it will be more economical than my old Pontiac! One big question I had before buying was expected price I would pay. I didn't have a lot of references. Here in Hawaii I paid 20200 plus my 99 Bonneville. I got an extended warranty through Geico insurance but after reading the previous messages I'm going to have to see if it covers the battery etc. The dealer suggested that here I should follow the "heavy use " maintenance schedule because of the weather. I'm not sure that's really necessary. Thanks to everyone who's already posted. The info is helpful.
#895 of 1765 by misterme Sep 22, 2004 (6:59 pm)
"The dealer suggested that here I should follow the "heavy use " maintenance schedule because of the weather. I'm not sure that's really necessary."   My dealer tried that on me even though I don't even qualify on the books specified heavy use criteria. Must be an easy way to double their service profit from us. I'm following the service schedule that applies to me...the 10K cycle.   I don't know about Geico but my Honda extended covers to 100K/7yr B2B and 150K/10yr battery. Replies to this message: paul12 (Sep 22, 2004 9:08 pm) larsb (Sep 23, 2004 5:59 am) blueiedgod (Sep 24, 2004 8:40 am)
#896 of 1765 Re: [misterme] by paul12 Sep 22, 2004 (9:08 pm)
Replying to: misterme (Sep 22, 2004 6:59 pm) I called Honda of America and they said stick to the suggested maintenance schedule that applies. Our trips are definitely longer than 5 miles and the weather is not always 90 but the continuous warm weather may be a factor in deciding. Geico covers 100k/7yr B2B but that includes the battery. It costs $30(thirty)per year with a 250 deductible. The dealer wanted 1300 for the same warranty you selected. They just sent a letter reiterating their offer so its still open to me. When I read the other messages the concern about the transmissions caught my eye. I wonder if that was just the earlier models. Someone did mention problems "in the past". At any rate its been 10 days with no visits to the gas station yet and heading into 400 miles. we run the air con constantly so I'm sure that's going to affect mileage.As I said before it will still be a lot better than what we're used to! Anyone change their own oil and trans fluid? I've changed the oil on my old cars.Is this one that different? The only 0-20 oil I can find here is synthetic except of course from the dealer. Replies to this message: larsb (Sep 23, 2004 5:59 am) blueiedgod (Sep 24, 2004 8:40 am)
#897 of 1765 Re: [paul12] by larsb Sep 23, 2004 (5:59 am)
Replying to: paul12 (Sep 22, 2004 9:08 pm) I change my own oil in my 2004 manual tranny HCH. Synthetic is fine - I use a 0W-30 synthetic here in Phoenix.    I am going to change the tranny fluid myself too when the time comes. I might decide on GM SynchroMesh, it seems to be the best manual tranny fluid out there, from what I could find so far.   Congrats on your fine choice of a car and good luck !! Replies to this message: blueiedgod (Sep 24, 2004 8:40 am)
#898 of 1765 Re: [larsb] by blueiedgod Sep 24, 2004 (8:40 am)
Replying to: larsb (Sep 23, 2004 5:59 am) I change my own oil in my 2004 manual tranny HCH. Synthetic is fine - I use a 0W-30 synthetic here in Phoenix.   Mobil 1 is available in 0W-20, which is direct replacement for the 5W-20.   0W-30 may not be such a good idea.   I am going to change the tranny fluid myself too when the time comes. I might decide on GM SynchroMesh, it seems to be the best manual tranny fluid out there, from what I could find so far.   If the hybrid tranny is similar to non-hybrid, I would strongly suggest that you stick with Honda MTF fluid. Using non-Honda fluids in Honda trans will most definatley void the warranty, and will affect the way the tranny behaves. Same is true with Auto tranny fluid. If Hybrid uses CVT fluid, this is the only fluid that should ever go into the tranny, nothing else.   Cost should not be an issue as the Honda MTF or CVT fluids are resonably priced for products that have no competition.
#899 of 1765 0W-30 versus 5W-20 by larsb Sep 24, 2004 (9:13 am)
0W-30 is good oil:   "Mobil 1 0W-30 is the most advanced performance synthetic engine oil designed to provide the cleaning power, wear protection and enhanced fuel economy performance."   Another oil site says:   "All three oils (0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30) are excellent motor oils and ANY one can be used in a vehicle which requires either a 0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30 oil as well as in several other engine applications including an engine which recommends a 5W- 20 oil. This leads to the next topic: many people also ask us if the 0W-30 is too thin a viscosity oil for high ambient temperature operation. The answer is absolutely not! Thicker viscosity oils are not always necessarily better since in addition to its' various engine lubrication functions, an oil must also effectively transfer heat. Only about 60% of an engines cooling is performed by the engine coolant, and only on the upper half of the engine. The remaining 40% of an engines cooling is performed mainly by the engine oil."   Yet another site:   "0W-30 flows up to seven times faster than conventional oils. Therefore, it provides superior protection for engine parts during cold start-ups. And it safeguards your engine when it's extremely hot. Plus, 0W-30 helps maintain low oil consumption and reduces wear on starters and batteries."   I can find more examples, but trust me on this: I have used 0W-30 in my last five vehicles since 1997, and it does a fine job. It doesn't evaporate, and it helps fuel economy by reducing friction.

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