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#866 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [larsb] by gagrice Jul 30, 2004 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jul 30, 2004 3:02 pm) Those are both good arguments. My gripe is when I went pricing the HCH the dealer had tacked on a $1000 premium because he could. To me that is like Starbucks charging $5 for water in NY on 9/11. If someone is willing to go the extra mile to do their part to save our air. And the Auto dealers are cashing in on those special cars some one should be screaming. And it is worse with the 2004 Toyota Prius. I have heard of markups as high as $5000 over MSRP. In my mind that is criminal. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Jul 30, 2004 3:23 pm) gagrice (Jul 30, 2004 3:27 pm) stevedebi (Jul 30, 2004 3:30 pm) larsb (Jul 30, 2004 3:27 pm)
#867 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [gagrice] by stevedebi Jul 30, 2004 (3:23 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 30, 2004 3:19 pm) Actually, if you find a dealer charging over MSRP, report them to Toyota corporate. I saw an article that said the Toyota dealers are not allowed to charge over MSRP. (it was in an article describing Prius increased production).   So go get them in trouble! Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 30, 2004 3:27 pm) stevedebi (Jul 30, 2004 3:30 pm)
#868 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [gagrice] by larsb Jul 30, 2004 (3:27 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 30, 2004 3:19 pm) OH that is ABSOLUTELY correct - we have a dealer here in Phoenix, LARRY MILLER TOYOTA, who was and may still be (I know this for a fact because my former roommate bought one with the markup) to be charging $3000-$5000 over sticker as a premium on the 2004 Pruis, JUST to line their fat-cat pockets. I *DO* think that is criminal and should be prosecuted as theft. Bullcrap on that "the market supports the price so we can charge it" argument. Another dealer, BIG TWO TOYOTA, was selling them AT STICKER, no mark up. Bravo for them !!!
#869 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [stevedebi] by gagrice Jul 30, 2004 (3:27 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Jul 30, 2004 3:23 pm) That is good to know and I will. I'll give a Hoorah to Toyota on that one. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Jul 30, 2004 3:30 pm)
#870 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [gagrice] by stevedebi Jul 30, 2004 (3:30 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 30, 2004 3:27 pm) Hopefully the on-line article was telling the truth about Toyota not allowing markups.   Honda dealers have a "dealer added price" sticker, where they basically say they are adding to the MSRP. I suppose it's allowed because they are listing the markup separately and openly. Different corporate culture, I guess...
#871 of 1765 Re: some answers, some agreements [stevecheme] by misterme Jul 31, 2004 (1:40 pm)
Replying to: stevecheme (Jul 30, 2004 2:07 pm) You are right, if a shopper is in the market for a low cost ride then the hybrid shouldn't be on the list.   Not sure about the 42mpg figure for the HCH but real owners are averaging about 47, Prius is just shy of 50, shown at the database of greenhybrid dot com.   One thing in particular I like about the HCH and I assume is the same with Prius, that it is a good candidate for hyper mileage if one takes the time to learn it. It's nice to get more than 730 calculated miles out of 13 gallons of gas and some are doing even better than I am. I'm not saying +60MPG tanks are normal for everyone: Most will get far less. But this high MPG is certainly achievable....for some.   Not sure of your highest risk of all (batteries). Mine is covered for 10 years/150K miles, about the time I'll be looking for my next car.
#872 of 1765 OVerall MPG only 34.8 after 5700 miles by larsb Aug 02, 2004 (11:55 am)
I bought a used 2004 5-speed HCH earlier this month, had 4823 miles when I got it.   The previous owner had kept the "Trip B" odometer as the total miles on the car - the total miles and the Trip B odometer miles read the same number of miles.   Total MPG for the Trip B odometer reads 34.8 MPG. So to me, that logically says that the car has achieved only 34.8 MPG over the first 5700 miles.   Is that what I can assume? If so, that's pretty paltry overall mileage for a Hybrid, wouldn't you all agree?   Does anyone else have a trip meter that has been maintained equal to the mileage on the car, and does yours show something similarly low?   Thanks !!! Replies to this message: misterme (Aug 02, 2004 2:40 pm) larsb (Aug 02, 2004 2:50 pm)
#873 of 1765 Re: OVerall MPG only 34.8 after 5700 miles [larsb] by misterme Aug 02, 2004 (2:40 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Aug 02, 2004 11:55 am) 35Mpg is really lousy for that car. Barring any mechanical defects the original driver must have been really hard on it. That may explain the 35MPG and getting rid of it in 5,700miles.   Personally I use trip A for my daily commutes and trip B for tank to tank. For me, using one of the trip meters for lifetime mileage wouldn't work, as once in a while I'll accidentally reset it.   When I got the car in January I didn't know anything about driving with load and started off right away with mid 50's tank averages. By Feb-March I was upper 50's averages and I've posted my latest.   Since my driving habits are not "normal" please let me say that my wife occasionally uses the car, A/C full blast and knows little about conserving fuel, and she averages 45-50MPG on almost all of her trips.   If it were me I'd reset both trip meters, get the car up off the 30PSI tire pressure (if you haven't already...You be the judge here) and see what you can do for average tank MPG.   If you are still seeing the crummy 30's then I'd have the car checked, especially front end alignment. Replies to this message: larsb (Aug 02, 2004 2:50 pm)
#874 of 1765 Re: OVerall MPG only 34.8 after 5700 miles [misterme] by larsb Aug 02, 2004 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: misterme (Aug 02, 2004 2:40 pm) I agree on the lousy part..   My first two tanks have been 38.4 and 43.1, so I am doing OK with my two tanks I suppose. My driving is almost ALL city, very little highway miles, and I live in Phoenix, so I have been using the A/C almost full blast almost all the time. I have learned many good tips on these boards, and that's why my current tank is doing so well. Plus I have about 180 highway miles on that tank also.   My tires are 38 PSI. I'm using synthetic oil which I put in myself at 5073.1 miles. I use ECON and cruise control and I coast whenever possible.   I'm not going to get too awfully worried unless I start slipping into the 30s consistently. But I bought this car with the intent of getting low-to-mid 40s, so I hope I can do that.   Laters.......
#875 of 1765 Re: Trip meters by stevedebi Aug 02, 2004 (3:55 pm)
Slightly OT here, but I use Trip A for MPG, and Trip B for maintenance intervals.

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