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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [redbaron42] by oranu
Jul 22, 2004 (1:02 am)
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Replying to: redbaron42 (Feb 11, 2004 8:52 am)

Insurance Co. wants to complete buy-back of my crashed 2003 Civic Hybrid. Have yet to file 2003 tax return. If I sign over my "pink slip to the insurance Co, will this invalidate my $2000 tax credit application? Would it be valid to file the application immediately, then sign over the crasehd car to the Insurance Co.?
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Tax credit for PURCHASE by larsb
Jul 22, 2004 (6:34 am)
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I'd talk to a tax expert or CPA to confirm, but my educated guess is that you WILL receive the credit because the credit is given for PURCHASING a hybrid in the tax year, NOT for OWNING it at the end of the tax year.
 
I would confirm with a tax pro, but I'll bet that's what they'll tell ya.....
 
My 2 cents..........
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [oranu] by john1701a
Jul 22, 2004 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: oranu (Jul 22, 2004 1:02 am)

First, there is no federal tax credit. It is only a DEDUCTION.
 
Second, the IRS rules clearly state you must retain ownership of the vehicle for a full 3 years.
 
Since your HCH is a 2003. $0 is the amount you can claim. Sorry. (Complain to the current administration for not having approved that bill for the hybrid incentives.)
 
JOHN
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [john1701a] by larsb
Jul 22, 2004 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 22, 2004 8:00 am)

Actually, I'm not sure that part about the requirement of owning the car for three years is necessarily factual.
 
For example, for the people who took a $2000 deduction for the 2003 tax year, meaning they purchased a qualified vehicle before 12/31/2003, and then the car is totalled in January 2004 - are they then required to file an AMENDED return saying, "actually, I did not buy or use a qualified hybrid vehicle in 2003" ???
 
I'm looking on the IRS site to confirm, but I don't think "how long you have the car" is applicable. I may be wrong, but I doubt it....
 
Lars Bogart
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [larsb] by larsb
Jul 22, 2004 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 22, 2004 8:41 am)

OK I found the text in an IRS publication, Pub 535, "Business Expenses" chapter 12 page 47. Here it is verbatim:
 
"Sales or other dispositions. If you sell of otherwise dispose of the vehicle within 3 years after the date you placed it in service and know or have reason to know that it will be changed in any of the ways above, you are subject to recapture rules. In other dispositions (including a disposition by reason of an accident or other casualty), the recapture rules do not apply."
 
So, translated, that means that if you lose the car to an accident, you are not required to return the credit that you have taken in a previous year. So the three year rule applies for AFTER you have taken a deduction the first time.
 
What is DOES NOT SPECIFY is what is done if the car is lost to accident BEFORE you have taken a deduction at all.
 
That's where a tax expert could come in handy, because the still unanswered question is "do I get the first deduction in year one if I do not end the year with possession of the car?"
 
Lars
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [larsb] by oranu
Jul 22, 2004 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 22, 2004 8:55 am)

Wow! You folks are very helpful. Having not yet filed my 2003 return, it seems to me that the thing to do is to Xerox the title before turning ownership over to the insurance company, then file my 2003 return with the deduction claimed (as I owned and used the car from circa February, 2003 until the accident in May, 2004).
 
Comments?
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [oranu] by larsb
Jul 22, 2004 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: oranu (Jul 22, 2004 10:37 am)

That sounds like a legally sound strategy to me. Because in fact, you DID have ownership of the vehicle on 12/31/03, which is when the tax year ends. Good luck.........
Lars
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [john1701a] by gagrice
Jul 22, 2004 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 22, 2004 8:00 am)

That bill is still in Congress it was sponsored by Rep. Dave Camp, R-Midland, in 2001. They have whittled the incentives down to save money. It has nothing to do with the Administration. The only tax credits I know of are on all electric cars. So you can buy a golf cart and use it to go get groceries. Maybe it will get passed yet this session. In time for the huge influx of hybrids and diesel cars.
 
http://www.detnews.com/2003/business/0311/18/c01-328385.htm
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [gagrice] by john1701a
Jul 22, 2004 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 22, 2004 12:52 pm)

Actually, there were several. There was a tax CREDIT that got dropped. And there was the renewal of the existing DEDUCTION that was allowed to sunset.
 
And yes, the current administration was involved with those.
 
JOHN
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Re: $2000 Tax Credit [john1701a] by misterme
Jul 22, 2004 (3:48 pm)
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Replying to: john1701a (Jul 22, 2004 1:56 pm)

"And yes, the current administration was involved with those"
 
John, are you looking for a good political debate?
I would suggest that this forum is not the place for political topics or jabs, especially given the election year and firey potential.

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