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#808 of 1765 Re: blue... [graphicguy #804] by blueiedgod Jun 23, 2004 (3:09 am)
Replying to: graphicguy (Jun 22, 2004 7:24 am) Steam engines are still more efficient than Internal combustion.   I highly doubt that a carbeurated 1985 engine even well tuned, can control the air/fuel mixture as well as the modern OBDII compliant fuel injected engines. A carbeurated engine has no feedback from the exhaust side as to how much fuel has been burnt, while OBDII FI engine has an oxygen sensor to tell the computer how much fuel to add or remove from the next cycle. While too lean of a mixture is not good either. Knock sensor will prevent the FI system from destroying your engine internals from premature combustion (knock, ping). I highly doubt that a 1985 FI system can do all the fine tuning on the fly that a modern FI engine system does. The goal here is to have such a control burn that a catalytic converter is not needed. A 1972 Honda CVCC engine did not need a cat because it was burning so lean, but it was installed anyway to comply with the regulations. A 2004 Civic produces less pollutants in 200 miles than a 1985 Chevy sitting in a parking lot with the engine off. The most pollution your Civic does is when you fill it up at a station that has no vaccum vapor recovery system. As far as I know only metro NY and CA have them. You can tell a Vaccum vapor recovery fueling station by the double hose or a very thick filler hose with a rubber boot going over the nossle.
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#810 of 1765 Quite interesting.... by djasonw Jul 07, 2004 (2:53 pm)
I just started reading these posts and I find them quite interesting/entertaining. I happen to own a loaded '04 Prius. Never ever considered the HCH. If the Prius did NOT exist, I'd probably own a loaded Accord Coupe. It gets great mileage and a really nice ride. If I am really good I can get an average of between 45-50 on a tank. Lately, I don't even look anymore (except when I fill up) and I am consistently getting 48-49. No tricks and not riding with tires that are so hard you need to wear a kidney belt. I can not see ANY reason to by an HCH over a standard Civic. I really like the Civic hatch and you can't even get that in a Civic Hybrid. Heck.. I read you can't even put down the rear seats for cargo!! Is that true? Everyone here is right.. you will NOT make up the price premium. Civics are HEAVILY discounted and HCH are NOT. I would NEVER expect to get the type of mileage these hyper folks get, nor would I want to drive the way they do (like old farts).
#813 of 1765 CIVIC SI by djasonw Jul 08, 2004 (3:56 am)
Isn't that a hatch? Have I upset you missme? Or is it misterme? Perhaps the only way to explain the enthusiasm for the Prius is the fact that it IS a better hybrid. My review of this thread reveals that VERY few people (including a Honda dealer) could condone the HCH over a standard CIVIC. Enjoy your ubiquitous HCH. LOL!!! Replies to this message: bamacar (Jul 08, 2004 6:54 pm) djasonw (Jul 09, 2004 3:57 am) bamacar (Jul 09, 2004 4:48 am)
#815 of 1765 Re: CIVIC SI [djasonw #813] by bamacar Jul 08, 2004 (6:54 pm)
Replying to: djasonw (Jul 08, 2004 3:56 am) Funny this thread sounds exactly like the Prius one. Not a chance you can defend either the HCH or Prius for the acceleration, MPG, or cost versus a regular Civic, Corolla, Camry, or Accord. The HCH would take 10-15 years for break even; the Prius probably 10-20+ given its higher price not to mention the wait time. Replies to this message: djasonw (Jul 09, 2004 3:57 am) bamacar (Jul 09, 2004 4:48 am)
#816 of 1765 Re: CIVIC SI [bamacar] by djasonw Jul 09, 2004 (3:57 am)
Replying to: bamacar (Jul 08, 2004 6:54 pm) Gee... I wonder why the Prius list is so long. Perhaps a great many people wish to part with their hard earned dollars. We've been down that road before. People are NOT buying these gems for mileage. Just look at Ebay and you'll see the lunacy. Replies to this message: bamacar (Jul 09, 2004 4:48 am)
#817 of 1765 Re: CIVIC SI [djasonw] by bamacar Jul 09, 2004 (4:48 am)
Replying to: djasonw (Jul 09, 2004 3:57 am) Kinda like the PT Cruiser, Miata, New Beetle etc. When something is hot, there is no logic to peoples' purchases. The HCH, since the gas price increased, is also hard to find. Buying either is justifiable for other reasons but not for economic or acceleration reasons. Just wait a couple of years, and they will be much cheaper (same performance) or better (see Prius I vs Prius II) - maybe even justifiable economic and performance wise.

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