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#61 of 1765 traveliter by dindak May 16, 2002 (4:13 am)
I can't believe people would pay over list for any car, especially $5000. Recession, what recession?   Unreal.   Glad you like your car. I take it you paid list?
#62 of 1765 dindak by lngtonge18 May 16, 2002 (8:18 pm)
Look at his post. He still paid $1200 over sticker for an already overpriced Civic. What a deal.....At least he feels it was worth it. I don't get how anything short of a hot low volume sports car is worth over sticker, especially something that is meant to save you money.
#63 of 1765 re #61 by jomabu1 May 16, 2002 (10:56 pm)
lngtonge18, you and several others just don't get the reason for getting a hybrid.   The car is about making an important, at least in the hybrid owners mind, statement. I would venture to say that the statement of being conservation minded is more important to most hybrid owners than saving money. I don't own one but as a potential customer for the Honda hybrid this would be my motivation for owning one. Whereas a low volume sports car projects the image some may want portrayed, it isn't necessarily the image that others want portrayed. I would love to own a car that could get 50mpg and hold 4 people comfortably. Will have to get a S2000 to satisfy my sporting side.   Just respect others decisions and prices they pay.
#64 of 1765 lngtonge18 by dindak May 17, 2002 (5:37 am)
The Hybrid is not about saving money. You will never make up the price difference from a normal Civic in gas savings over the life of the car. I think it's definitely more of an environmental statement and a coolness factor that surrounds this car. I think the hybrid technology is very cool also, but it's too much money for me, especially if you have to pay way over list.
#65 of 1765 Extended Warranty by mdm91 May 17, 2002 (7:12 am)
Hey, Any owners out there who bought the extended warranty? I've been unable to find a third-party warranty for any of the hybrid cars.   Best, Michael
#66 of 1765 jomabu1 by lngtonge18 May 17, 2002 (7:31 am)
I did respect his decision. I said "at least he thinks its worth it", didn't I? And I didn't say he was stupid or anything. I was simply answering a question for someone else since they overlooked it. I do disagree some on the point of hybrids. What's the first impression people get when they look at it? They think "wow, look at that mileage. I would save so much money in gas". Granted, at this point, the higher price does offset that, but the thoughts of less money spent on gas and the lower amount of gas used is a big deciding factor to go with these cars. Most people don't realize the difference is offset by the price. Those that do understand are swayed by the feelings of being "Mr. Clean" and the cool new gadgetry. So, I think there is a combination to the appeal of hybrids. I personally don't think it's worth spending more then list though.
#67 of 1765 jomabu1............................ by daysailer May 17, 2002 (7:52 am)
Of course each person has their own reasons for any action that they consciously undertake and, if it is not illegal or unethical it is entirely their prerogative to do so. Whatever value one places on any product that they buy is for them to determine for themselves and if they are satisfied with the transaction, it is not for others to criticize.   But too often people confuse disagreement with criticism. In a true discussion, we each try to understand the other's rationale. Ultimately we may disagree and might not make the same choice, but that is not criticism.   To me, the outstanding attribute of a hybrid vehicle is its fuel economy, therefore, to evaluate its cost/value in other than economic terms is an exercise that I cannot appreciate, but that is not criticism. If someone desires to "make a statement" by whatever means is legally available to them, that too is there prerogative, but I will point out that the statement intended is not necessarily what is perceived by others who have different points of view.
#68 of 1765 by hybirdshark May 17, 2002 (8:37 am)
> The Hybrid is not about saving money. You will never make up the price difference from a normal Civic in gas savings over the life of the car.   I agree with the sprit of the rest of this post, however, I am more optimistic about accounting for the price difference of a hybrid Civic vs the regular Civic. If you include the benefits of a $1500 to $2000 potential tax break, you may actually be able to make up for the price difference over 3-6 years in gas savings. Of course, this will depend on how many miles you drive per year. Also, if gas prices go up for any reason over the next few years (hey, we were paying $2/gallon here in California a couple of years ago), you may be able to recover the difference in a shorter period.
#69 of 1765 Prius vs GMC Yukon ????????Christhatcher by badgerfan May 17, 2002 (8:59 am)
Not to put down all tree huggers, but how can the Sierra club compare a Toyota Prius to a GMC Yukon with a straight face? How about comparing a bicycle with a Prius from a cost/emissions/fuel efficiency standpoint?? That's just as fair.   These kind of ridiculous comparisons do not add any credibility to environmentalist's goals.   You can make a valid argument against people who drive big SUV's when all they really need is a small car most of the time, (or even a minivan, which usually gets better mileage and has more cargo space) but please, let's make comparisons about like sized vehicles.   Hybrid Civic versus VW diesels, for example or other fuel efficient compact cars, past and present.   Don't also forget how you might spend that extra $5000 your willing to spend on a Hybrid Civic or Prius on other more useful environmentally sound items, like energy efficient light bulbs, better house insulation, or a new more efficient refrigerator, etc.   I rest my case.
#70 of 1765 hybirdshark by dindak May 17, 2002 (9:35 am)
There are no tax breaks up here and you would have to be driving one heck of a lot to make up the difference even if there was. My guess is the car would die before that ever happened.   I'm sure over time, prices will fall and this may change. Right now, it's a novelty and will not save any money for you.

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