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#41 of 1765 Civic Hybrid by rob135 May 06, 2002 (12:36 pm)
I just bought a Civic Hybrid this weekend and thought I'd share a little ....   I got the CVT for just under $20k. I found one in a rural ag town about 400 miles away and emailed them (you can check inventories at honda.com) - just as I thought, they were eager to get rid of it.   The car rides great, though the gas mileage for the trip home was a little lower than expected (42 mpg driving 65 to 70 w/ AC on and a pretty consistent head wind). Does anyone know if the gas mileage should get better as the engine is broken in?   I have to agree with just about everything that the Edmunds review had to say about it - it rides great (though the suspension is a little soft), power is fine for most drivers, and it seems well made. There's nothing really exotic about it except what's under the hood and the right side of the dash (which I found myself looking at way too often).
#42 of 1765 Hybrid invoice price by kcisiv May 07, 2002 (10:35 am)
Does anyone have an authoritative source for the invoice price for the Civic Hybrid 5-speed?   My credit union also has an agreement with a dealer matching service, but unfortunately their lists don't yet include the '03 Hybrid. For other models, the dealer guarantees a no-haggle price of $300 over invoice, and I might be able to hold them to something close. No invoice price on Edmunds or as far as I can tell any of the other major services.   Thanks, Jon
#43 of 1765 5 speed credit union deal by leemondo May 07, 2002 (2:46 pm)
kcisiv, from the same dealer I mentioned above -- Civic hybrid 5 speed: $17863 invoice $460 delivery $500 profit ------------ $18823 + $190 tags ------------ $19013   Rob -- I've read reviews from media test drives that suggest that 40-42 MPG is what you can expect. If yours gets better, please let us know! Seems pretty deceptive if the EPA estimate is that far off...   Lee
#44 of 1765 rob by dindak May 08, 2002 (5:44 am)
Mileage usually improves on normal engines after a few fill ups but it's hard to say what will happen with a hybrid. Let us know if it improves.
#45 of 1765 Civic Hybrid for MSRP in Northern Cal by hybirdshark May 08, 2002 (9:53 am)
Civic Hybrid is quoted for MSRP at Capitol Honda in the San Francisco Bay area. I got mine from my local dealer for MSRP after showing them the quote from Capitol Honda. If the supply of Hybrid Civics improve, you may be able to negotiate a better deal.   It is kind of disgusting that we (Northern Californians) seem to have to pay more for cars than anywhere else in the country.
#46 of 1765 Civic hybrid MPG by rfruth May 08, 2002 (11:57 am)
Yea the media test drivers get in the low 40s but once the vehicle is broken in and the driver(s) learn to maximize regenerative braking http://www.insightcentral.net/faq-index-driving.html etc the MPG should be 50 or so. Rob (no hybrid yet) Fruth
#47 of 1765 Tax credit for Hybrids? by hybirdshark May 08, 2002 (1:03 pm)
There is some new legislation about the tax credit for hybrid vehicles currently in the congress. It has not been signed into a law yet but from what I was able to "decode" from the text of several bills currently in consideration, you might be able to get about a $1500 tax credit if you purchase a Civic Hybrid this year. Of course, if the bill passes in its current form, etc. It looks like part of the tax credit will be proportional to the ratio of power from the electric motor vs the gasoline engine, which sucks.
#49 of 1765 If the bill................ by daysailer May 09, 2002 (4:59 am)
bases the tax credit on the % electric power, it will represent yet one more example of legislative ignorance and arrogance. For a legislative body to presume to promote a particular solution rather than the ultimate objective is counterproductive at best. In this case it would appear to give the largest subsidy to a series hybrid design which is a less efficient system than a parallel hybrid and will therefore consume more gasoline and produce more emissions than more efficient alternatives.
#50 of 1765 Civic Hybrid Means Motorists Can Be Both Green and Unseen by rfruth May 09, 2002 (10:45 am)
http://www.latimes.com/classified/autos/highway1/drive/la-000027222apr17.story?coll=la%2Dclass%2Dhighway1%2Ddrive

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