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Honda Civic, Hybrid Cars
#310 of 1804 Accord & 85 Civic Wagon
Oct 23, 2002 (11:21 am)
Intonge18: I know where your coming from, been there myself. Luckily, the equipment has been getting better. FYI catalytic converters are now covered for 8 years 80,000 miles, as is the electronic control module (computer command module), by Federal law.
dfong87: I once owned a 1990 Accord. Sorry I ever got rid of it. The Accord is one of the best vehicles made. As I mentioned before, we almost got one over our hybrid. Good news is that Honda should be putting out a hybrid Accord within two or three years. We love our hybrid Civic for local travel, and didn't need the added comfort of the Accord. We use our Volvo V70 for long distance.
#311 of 1804 Battery question, again
Oct 28, 2002 (6:58 am)
Hello, i will try again:
I would like someone who has actual knowledge or experience to address 2 questions I have regarding the batteries:
1. How well do they hold a charge? In other words: Do they lose charge when sitting for an extended period? I have appliances with NiMH batteries, and they will lose a charge over time, even without use.
2. How does the performance hold up over time? I realize that the batteries will need to be replaced at some point, however batteries don't just work fine, then suddenly fail. Their ability to hold a charge typically diminishes as a function of time and charging cycles. I would think that it would be frustrating to experience declining performance from the batteries, and it would be a matter of being "fed-up" with the performance decline causing the decision to replace.
thanks in advance
#312 of 1804 Re: SULEV/MPG, etc.
Oct 28, 2002 (9:36 am)
> OTOH, i don't think "half" the fuel economy
> is being quite fair to the new 4 cylinder accord.
Well, you're right that I did make some assumptions. The mileage figures I had in front of me were from the EPA Web site; the only SULEV Accord listed is the automatic, and they rate it at 23 city, 30 highway.
Using the EPA numbers, the hybrid 5-speed would be expected to use exactly 50% as much gas if your driving were 100% city, increasing gradually to 59% as much if it were driven 100% on the highway.
So, my "half" was an approximation based on assumptions that may or may not be real-world. Definitely, YMMV. If you compare your 28 actual MPG (which is actually very close to what you'd expect for 2/3 highway on the EPA numbers) to my 47 or so for the hybrid, the hybrid is using more like 60% as much gas. And clearly some people are not getting this much mileage out of their hybrids. Just wanted to make the point that ULEV/SULEV was just one factor among several.
Oct 28, 2002 (12:03 pm)
The question about how well the batteries hold a charge is, when you think about it for a moment, largely irrelevant: once the engine starts and you begin the normal cycle of moving, braking, etc, the regeneration process begins and goes on continuously. Some people have, with continuous hill climbing, been able to get the onboard charge down to near-zero, but it only takes a bit of normal driving to get it back. The idea behind the battery pack doesn't really involve "storing a charge" for long periods of disuse...
#314 of 1804 how well the batteries hold a charge is
Oct 28, 2002 (1:11 pm)
What about if you are stuck in bumper traffic for a long time? Can you run out of charge? Or at that point, is there a mechanism that switches to the gas engine exclusively?
#315 of 1804 You can never be stuck...
Oct 28, 2002 (3:34 pm)
...the gasoline engine is always available, and in fact IS the primary motivation for the car, not the electric side. That's why its called Integrated Motor Assist. The electric motor is an adjunct to the gasoline engine, not the other way around. I still maintain that the state of the batteries at any given time is strictly a performance issue, not a reliability or functional one. Low batteries mean less extra torque to go with the gasoline engine...that's all it means.
Oct 28, 2002 (4:03 pm)
"What about if you are stuck in bumper traffic for a long time? Can you run out of charge?"
You will likely neither run out of charge nor gasoline (auto-shutoff at idle, assuming that you're not running a/c). If you have to accelerate and brake, then the batteries get recharged anyway.
#317 of 1804 Run out of Charge
Oct 30, 2002 (6:00 am)
I have never come close to running out in 3,300 miles. Closest was about 1/3, and it recharges extremely fast. In fact, when we purchased our Civic hybrid, it had been sitting in the showroom for two months and many of the electric items had been left on. Both batteries were completely dead. The hybrid battery was charged to 80% within a few miles of highway driving. Bumper to bumper is not the time you would use the most anyway, it is long sustained uphill mountain driving. Someone from Colorado, etc. may want to reply. The management system is very good about using a trickle charge whenever it needs to in order to keep a sufficient charge.
#318 of 1804 Performance and Price
Oct 30, 2002 (1:14 pm)
How does the HCH perform on mountain roads?
Does it negotiate freeway traffic well enough and does it have good acceleration?
I have been offered a HCH, 2003 for 20035. Is that a good price (I live in the Bay Area and these cars are popular here...
Oct 30, 2002 (3:49 pm)
One of the first Insights I saw on road was in Rocky Mountains National Park, Colorado.