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#1770 of 1804 Honda Hybrid Transmission problems
Dec 22, 2010 (7:41 am)
My 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid has a little over 91,000 miles and the transmission is going out. I am totally disgusted. I have suffered through 2 or 3 recalls already and now the car has become a bucket of bolts. The only bright spot is that the dealer has been cooperative and offered to offset some of the charges but here is the real issue: I was told that the CVT trans is NOT REPAIRABLE only REPLACEABLE. The cost: over $3500. Is it time for a class action lawsuit?
#1771 of 1804 Re: Honda Hybrid Transmission problems [austex1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Dec 22, 2010 (7:56 am)
The Forums can't be used to organize legal action - this isn't negotiable, sorry.
#1774 of 1804 Atttn: Tom - My trade in
Mar 27, 2011 (6:17 am)
Hi Tom - did not want to post this on FB so here's the answers. I traded my 2007 HCH in and received $11,000 plus a $400 credit for a total added security package (covers all oil changes, tire rotations, and other normal maintenance) for the three years I will have the Forester. I did not want to make a car payment at all since I had not expected to get rid of the HCH so soon so did a three year lease with Subaru. I paid nothing, have no maintenance or other repairs costs, my insurance only went up about $40 every six months and when I press down on the gas pedal the Forester does not stall and actually has some pickup. I made a left-hand turn across traffic the other nite and the HCH did that hesitation thing and that was the final straw. I had the car at the dealership last week where they could not replicate the no bar/no pickup issue so I had been thinking about it. I told the Subaru dealer I needed a higher car to get in/out of more easily. I always liked the CRV but was not giving Honda anything for selling me a dangerous car; I also suspect I would have gotten less for the HCH there because they know more about the issues with it.
My car had new tires, oil change last week and 25,300 miles on it. It also had, thanks to our 150 pound dog and my over-zealous snow removal methods, scratches that they will likely have to buff out and fix. I rated the car as good and the KBB thru cars.com was $11,500. I note that the KBB at the Honda dealer's website was $12,950 but that salesmen said they were not accurate. I had researched and knew that price was too high and just to get you there and then they would kick it down. In the end, I never even went to Honda.
I drive less than 10,000 miles a year so a lease was a good option at this point, the subaru is a PZEV. I was averaging less than 35 miles per gallon on the HCH lately (after the IMA upgrade and whatever they did when I said the regular battery was dying). I could coast on the highway before last August and get 60MPG. Last time I was around 34 MPG. So while I will use more gas at the 26MPG we see in our other Forester the difference is too minimal. I wish I had not had to do this but twice during the summer I was nearly killed when Barney and Fred were going faster pedalling with their feet and almost ran into me! It was amazing to me how nice it is to drive a car that actual runs correctly. I just read that post from the guy that still gets 56MPG or whatever and all he has to do to do that - that's absurd. I loved my HCH when I bought it and am sorry it ended up being such a dud because I had hoped to have it a long time and enjoy the fun of it. In the beginning it was so much fun to drive. Lately, it had just been an annoyance, scary and not worth it.
I also point out as an FYI, all of the Japanese dealers are very worried about stock. They anticipate prices going up soon. The Honda dealer tried to scare me with it - buy a CRV now we won't have them soon. The Subaru dealer mentioned it when the car I leased was being prepped and we were discussing the economy in general. So if you are thinking and going Japanese it seems prices will go up.
#1775 of 1804 Re: Atttn: Tom - My trade in [hybridpatsy]
Jul 02, 2011 (9:00 am)
Wow, for whatever reason I did not see your message until just now. Thank you for your helpful, thoughtful explanation. Coincidentally, I have decided to take much the same path you took. My 2008 HCH is up for sale, and I am partial to getting a Subaru in place of the HCH! As a member of the International Mountain Bike Association, Subaru will give me a smokin' discount.
Let's stay in touch!
#1776 of 1804 Re: Atttn: Tom - My trade in [ttomaka]
Jul 02, 2011 (9:15 am)
Pretty sure you will be happier in the Subaru, and much safer also. I am amazed at how much I put up with in the HCH just thinking it was "normal." Now I am not afraid of being killed in my car when I turn left or try to merge onto a highway. I picked up some hypermiling techniques driving the hybrid and will likely always do them. I wanted to keep the car for at least ten years and am still not happy that I really lost money but it was simply not safe. I did get a notice the other day about a class-action suit over the visors - big deal - the least of my problem would have been a visor cracking Happy Fourth of July!
#1777 of 1804 A message to all American HCH owners
Jan 01, 2011 (8:42 am)
#1778 of 1804 A message to all American HCH owners
May 07, 2006 (4:26 pm)
I thought that it might be interesting to post a discussion on the new 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid from a country "other" than the USA.
A note from down under (Australia)!
Hybrids have been in Australia for some time now - over 10 years in fact, but for the most part they have been purchased by local councils and utilities. We had the Honda Insight first, then the Prius and now the 2006 HCH. However...with gas prices rising from $6.00 per gallon to $9.00 later this year, interest in hybrids is really starting to grow. Not so much on the environment side of things...the air is pretty clean down this neck of the woods, but more for saving money.
I've been reading all the posts I can from around the world, and without doubt the US is the most active.
At this point I'd just like to say that I recently purchased a 2006 HCH, with which I am extremely happy. It amuses me greatly when I read a negative report about hybrids, saying that they don't get great fuel economy. Well gues what, if you drive like a maniac...you won't. It's nice to drive a fast car from time to time...and feel the power, but these days there's not really much point. You see, in Australia we not only have radar, but we have fixed (in a parked car) and mobile speed cameras - and cameras at nearly every intersection. Like crime...speeding dose not pay in Australia!
Anyway...back to the HCH. My last car was also a Honda, the Accord 2.4l. A very nice car indeed. But I seemed to be always driving so gingerly to save money on gas that it made me wonder why have a car that can go so quickly. So I then started looking at smaller engines...1.8...1.5...1.3 etc. At the end of the day the Civic seemed the best bet. Now when you do all the sums...especially here in Aus with gas at $6.00 per gallon, the difference in price between the HCH and the standard starts to look like not that much.
And now that I am actually doing a few miles I've got to say that this is a really nice car. Surprisingly quick off the mark, well appointed, quite, handles well and regularly returns in excess of 50mpg in very heavy freeway and city driving - I'm one happy camper.
Reading the US forums you seem to be very spoilt for choices, and expect a lot from your cars. This is the way of the future and things will only get better (although they're pretty good now.
Just think how your little grips about this and that with hybrids will pale in insignificance when gas hits $7-8 a gallon. Tell me then that they won't be the best thing since sliced bread. Higher../.much higher fuel prices are on the way, and things won't be going "back to normal".
Nice talking to ya!
#1779 of 1804 Re: A message to all American HCH owners [davhan]
May 07, 2006 (4:55 pm)
Reading the US forums you seem to be very spoilt for choices
Greetings to you,
I am glad you like your new HCH. It seems to be quite popular in the USA as well. I for one have felt Australians were the ones with the choices. You can buy a midsize or small PU with a very economical diesel engine. There are many in the US that would love to have a smaller PU that gets 35-45 MPG on diesel. I guess we just wait and be envious of our neighbors that have all the choices.
Have a great day down under.
A close friend is leaving tomorrow for your great country. He is doing a series of piano concerts in Perth.