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Honda Civic, Hybrid Cars
#1 of 1804 The new Civic Hybrid
Apr 11, 2002 (12:25 pm)
The timing of the release of this new vehicle from Honda couldn't come at a better time. Fuel prices continue to rise. Civic highway MPGs are at 50 mpg. What is your "real world" experience with mileage on this car? USA Today's review said that their testing showed the mpg gauge was saying 34 mpg in their mixed use testing. My bet is that prices will be firm on this vehicle. Comments are welcome to this new thread.
Apr 11, 2002 (10:27 pm)
Car and Driver averaged 38 mpg in mixed use with a heavy foot. The best they got was 49 mpg doing a consistent 70 mph. You have to flog this engine to get respectable acceleration (10.9 sec 0-60 with a full charge and 13.1 with the battery depleted; slower then all regular cars but the 3 cylinder Metro), so my guess is that real world mileage isn't going to be much better then the regular Civic. They did say this was the best hybrid yet as far as driveability though. Until they put in a powerful enough engine that can post good city mileage as well as highway mileage, I don't see the point in paying so much more money. It only makes sense for those that commute strictly on non-congested freeways.
#4 of 1804 New owner reporting in . . . .
Apr 12, 2002 (4:58 am)
Yes, I own an '03 Civic hybrid . . . Love this car. Perhaps it's just a state of mind . . or the pleasure of feeling as though I'm beating the system . . . I do average approx. 45 mpg, city and freeway combined. And I find this vehicle incredibly well built, comfortable, vibration free and quiet, at all speeds. It is perhaps the smoothest car I've owned. Suspension is very tight. Power: No lack. Lots of torque. Always enough.
I know the formula: That it would take ten years to recapture the dollars I spent on the differential between a non-hybrid Civic and mine. Still, I think this is worth the price. Maybe because it's the only Civic model built in Japan? The build quality is superior. Seems to do everything very well. And what about the satisfaction of spending so little on oil consumption? My take. Pete
Apr 12, 2002 (5:27 am)
Honda sends over other (non hybrid) Civic sedans from Japan. Not a lot of them, but they are out there. They also send over some Accord sedans and of course
Apr 12, 2002 (7:39 am)
Your interpretation of the Car and Driver article is some what misleading. Honda's IMA manual system works slightly differently than a conventional manual. This car and the Insight have a light in the cabin that indicates the proper time to shift in order to get the best performance. These shift points are different from a conventional manual because in the hybrid they take into account the ability of the electric motor to help. The C&D article actually mentions having to relearn shifting, notably that you don't want to coast to a stop in neutral in a hybrid. If you drive the car correctly, you'll never be accelerating from 0-60 with a completely depleted battery.
I wish that they tested a CVT equipped hybrid. The results would be far more reliable.
Apr 12, 2002 (7:54 am)
I was somewhat interested in the civic hybrid for a commuter car. What with gas prices and all. But I have to say I just can't understand why they even bother. I'm not bashing at all here, just asking. I had owned a crx hf that averaged over 50 mpg and got 60 on the highway. No special technology or anything. Was a great college car as I could drive home and such and hardly spend money on gas. Now they are raving about getting 55-60 in a hybrid. At least the new hybrid is a 4 door sedan, so that makes it a little better. The old one was basically a crx with fancy engineering and still barely beat the mpg in regular driving.
Are there other real advantages to the hybrid other than mpg? Maybe I'm missing something.
At this point I much rather just have my old hf back.
Apr 12, 2002 (10:54 am)
I don't think you are missing anything. The Civic Hybrid as you pointed out is larger and more mainstream than your CRX was (nice vehicle BTW). It does get better mileage than a comparable gasoline powered Civic, so there is a benefit to some. IMO a lot of the benefit is intangible. People want to do their little part and there is nothing wrong with that.
#9 of 1804 spidermonkey
Apr 12, 2002 (11:51 am)
What parts of my statement were misleading? I think you don't quite understand what you are talking about and misunderstood my comments. The shift light is not about performance. It's about getting the most fuel economy out of the car (I drove a 00 Swift that had a shift light that came on around 2400 rpms, which is definitely not where you should shift if you want to get anywhere at a modest pace). If you shift using that light, you will have some difficulty keeping up with traffic, but you will be getting good mileage and keep the battery from being drained. However, if you drive a little more aggressively to keep up with traffic, your mileage will drop down to a regular Civic and the battery will start draining, making it even slower if you continue driving like that. Thus, that's why I stated real world mileage isn't going to be much better then regular Civics. The less power a car has, the more you tend to drive it hard to keep up with traffic. With a more powerful engine, I think the hybrid idea could work. As it stands, it's amazing they need all this technology to do what cars in the 80s used to be able to do. The hybrid idea does work for those who drive mostly on the highway and drive very timidly, but for the average person, I think they would quickly get annoyed with the lack of power and see little gains in fuel economy over the already fuel efficient Civic.
#10 of 1804 Peterun
Apr 13, 2002 (12:31 am)
Since you are the only one on this board that actually owns a hybrid, I'd like to know what caused you to purchase the Civic rather than a Prius? What kind of car did you own before?
I may be changing jobs and the new job will be completely stop and go traffic. (1 hour to go 10 miles.) I hate sitting in traffic just thinking about all the gas being burned. Therefore, I'm thinking of getting a hybrid, even though people are saying you can't recoup the initial cost difference and the gas you'd save. I'll miss the 6 cylinder engine going up the hill to my house but at 3 mph on the freeway, I'm sure I won't notice it at all!