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#14091 of 14486 Subaru quality slipping? by kurtamaxxxguy Jun 24, 2009 (4:11 pm)
cars101.com posted this info (edited for main Subaru info): 6/22 JD Power 90 day new car problem survey for 2009...... Overall, the industry average for initial quality is 108 problems per 100 (new) vehicles (PP100) in 2009, down from 118 PP100 in 2008... Subaru is #28 on the 2009 list with app 130 PP100 cars sold. At the bottom is Hummer, Jeep, Saab, Smart, Land Rover, and Mini. So Subaru is now well below Industry average? What happened? And will this get worse when the new '10 Legacy and Outback hit the streets? Replies to this message: snowbelter (Jun 24, 2009 5:09 pm) ateixeira (Jun 25, 2009 10:09 am)
#14092 of 14486 Re: Subaru quality slipping? [kurtamaxxxguy] by snowbelter Jun 24, 2009 (5:09 pm)
Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jun 24, 2009 4:11 pm) Subaru has been below the median for the past two or three years (at least since I've been following the JD Powers 90 day new car ratings.) My 07 Outback arrived with rattles, misaligned headlights, etc. The odd thing is that Subarus tend to do betterin ratings as they age. My wife's 09 Forester was delivered with a defective clock, but hasn't had any other problems, so it seems to have come off the line in decent shape.
#14093 of 14486 Re: Subaru quality slipping? [kurtamaxxxguy] by ateixeira Jun 25, 2009 (10:09 am)
Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jun 24, 2009 4:11 pm) Actually, it's been longer than 3 years, I recall way back in 1998 Subaru was slightly below average in this survey. Doesn't matter - what matters is long-term reliability. IMHO their 5 year Durability study is far more important, and Subaru does better in that study. Think about it - this is just 90 days, and you're not only under warranty, but even within the adjustment period, so you'll get even new windshield wipers replaced for free if they're streaking too much. Point is - who cares? Those problems won't cost you anything. We're discussing this at length in the thread called "Is there room for Hyundai in the Luxury Segment" (something like that). Jesse Snyder from Automotive News wrote: The difference between fifth place (Honda) and 24th place (Saturn) is one-fifth of a flaw per vehicle Then joked: Gee, guess I'll use that as my No. 26 tie-breaker in my decision [of which car to buy]. With AWD on every car, there is an extra drive shafts, two extra half shafts, an extra rear diff, plus most of them have extra features like heated seats, mirrors, wiper de-icers, etc. The H-4 engines have twice the number of camshafts, valve covers, and head gaskets. More potential defects, basically. I think the IQS issues are more likely little things like rattles or paint chips, though. Long-term Subaru beats the industry average by quite a bit.
#14094 of 14486 Subarus Guiness attempt by kurtamaxxxguy Jun 26, 2009 (1:53 pm)
They are trying to have the largest parade of Subarus ever in a small town just outside of Chicago. Why the heck they are not doing this in the NW puzzles me... On other hand, is anyone from the NW USA considering going to this? There are a couple people I could visit on the trip, but it would add 6000 miles to my 'Bu.
#14095 of 14486 Saw the '10 Outback today by kurtamaxxxguy Jun 26, 2009 (6:34 pm)
Was a CVT model. From side and front it looks a lot like the '09/10 Forester, but with more slope to hatch. Interior arm rests reminded me of Saturn Aura; upper door trim was very dark. Lots of shiny aluminum trim on the console. Car was still wrapped in plastic and tape from shipping so will have to wait until dealer puts it on display to see what interior is really like. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Jun 29, 2009 7:51 am) colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 6:43 am) rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 7:01 am) and 13 more... lucien2 (Jul 20, 2009 6:01 pm) volkov (Jul 21, 2009 5:00 pm)
#14096 of 14486 '10 Legacy presentation by kurtamaxxxguy Jun 26, 2009 (9:10 pm)
autonetwork.com has the '10 Subaru Legacy Technical and Marketing presentation of June 23, 2009. Lasts an hour - goes into extensive detail.
#14097 of 14486 Re: Saw the '10 Outback today [kurtamaxxxguy] by ateixeira Jun 29, 2009 (7:51 am)
Replying to: kurtamaxxxguy (Jun 26, 2009 6:34 pm) Bob said people on NASIOC are reporting it cruises at 80mph at just 2000 rpm. That sounds GREAT. I think that beats my ultra-high-geared Sienna, and by quite a bit. My Miata is the opposite, and I think revs would be near double that Outback CVT. 16.9 gallons and 31mpg highway should mean excellent range. Replies to this message: colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 6:43 am) rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 7:01 am) colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 7:49 am) and 12 more... lucien2 (Jul 20, 2009 6:01 pm) volkov (Jul 21, 2009 5:00 pm)
#14098 of 14486 Re: Saw the '10 Outback today [ateixeira] by colin_l Jul 20, 2009 (6:43 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 29, 2009 7:51 am) 31mpg highway sounds pretty awesome... and yeah, I bet your Miata is turning over 4k at 80mph. Actually I'm a bit surprised you still have it! Replies to this message: rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 7:01 am) colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 7:49 am) rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 8:03 am) and 10 more... p0926 (Jul 24, 2009 10:34 am)
#14099 of 14486 Re: Saw the '10 Outback today [colin_l] by rsholland Jul 20, 2009 (7:01 am)
Replying to: colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 6:43 am) Hey Colin... It's been a while—too long.! How's life treating you? Bring us up to date. BTW, juice has a new Miata now ('08 leftover model). Bob Replies to this message: colin_l (Jul 20, 2009 7:49 am) rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 8:03 am) colin_l (Jul 22, 2009 11:53 am) and 9 more... p0926 (Jul 24, 2009 10:34 am)
#14100 of 14486 Re: Saw the '10 Outback today [rsholland] by colin_l Jul 20, 2009 (7:49 am)
Replying to: rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 7:01 am) Sweet! I remember a while back he was debating replacing the '93 (I think) Miata with a motorcycle... I wouldn't do that in NoVA, and I love bikes-- but I like living even more. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm working on getting my CarSpace profile setup. Really short, short update: - Son is now 2.5 -- Evan may not have even been born when I was posting last! - Shared custody of kiddo and a second mortgage payment, I mean, totally fair child support - Still have my '03 Evo, 77k miles. It's been paid off a while now and I dread ever having a car payment again. - Still work for the largest US-based privately held company - Still love cars Replies to this message: rsholland (Jul 20, 2009 8:03 am) colin_l (Jul 22, 2009 11:53 am) rsholland (Jul 22, 2009 1:05 pm) lucien2 (Jul 22, 2009 2:54 pm) and 7 more... p0926 (Jul 24, 2009 10:34 am)