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Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Matrix, Wagon
#259 of 285 Re: Pontiac Vibe vs Matrix pros and cons and rust proofing
Oct 02, 2006 (6:47 pm)
I bought a 2003 Matrix when that were first produced. The matrix in the same configuration as the Mazda 5 (at that time - 2003) was $1000 more expensive than the Matrix. I tried to get a Vibe since I wanted roof racks but the Pontiac dealer did not reply to my email.
After three accidents, none of which were my fault and all paid for by insurance and repaired at the Pontiac dealer the car was looking a bit worn and making some noises that I did not like. So I decided to get another - Matrix or Vibe. I tried a used car dealer but the trade value for my 2003 Matrix XR was set at $9000. (Black book value is about $15000)
The Pontiac dealer offered only $8000 in trade for a 2006 Vibe, with a $1000 off the price of the Vibe, so effectively they were giving me $9000 on the trade.
Toyota offered $11000 on trade if I got a 2007 model.
I really like the car so decided to get the new 2007 Matrix.
I was pleased to see that the instrumentation has been improved and that the center console on the Matrix has not been cheapened as it has on the Vibe - what else has Pontiac cheapened?
But I was disappointed that Matrix has not fixed the Map light switch on the mirror thing. These map light switches are push button type and are easily turned on when adjusting the mirror, and during the day one does not notice that the light is on so it stays on. Eventually the light burned out because it had been left on so often.
I would also like to see the odometer and temperature displays made a bit larger as I need to put on reading glasses to see these - not always what one wants to do when driving!
While at the Toyota dealer they offered me Diamondkote electronic rust proofing at $700. This involves the installation of a galvanic rustproofing box powered by the car battery. I was surprised that the guarantee of 10 years was the same as getting rustproofing applied to the car as a coating.
I happened to be in Canadian Tire and saw that they were selling electronic rustproofing gadgets for $200 so I bought one and installed it even though I am highly suspicious of the efficacy of these devices.
I decided to do a little experiment to see if they make a difference. I will keep this posted on a blog: http://automobile-rustproofing-black-box.blogspot.com/
I would be interested if anyone else has any experience with these devices.
Oct 03, 2006 (8:40 am)
I just traded my 2003 Matrix for a 2007.
I noticed two items that I want back from my 2003:
1 The glove box lid on the 2007 falls open whereas the 2003 had a little aircylinder to lower it gently.
2 the standard radio on the 2003 is better than the 2007.
Back in 1997 my VW golf had an input port for the radio so that one could play other sources through the radio. This is an optional extra in the Toyota. Ability to play MP3 music on a car radio should NOT be an extra...
Gripes: The map light switches on the Matrix. What a dumb place to put them! Easy to turn on accidentally when adjusting the mirror and unnoticeable in daylight so they stay on.
The brake warning light is the same colour as all the other little lights and easily missed. Driving with the parking brake slightly on is NOT good.
Wiper blade attachment point needs to be improved for Canadian ice storm driving. If you start frozen wipers you will strip the teeth on the cog where the blades attach to the car. An expensive and potentially dangerous - when you cannot use the wipers in freezing rain - design for wiper blades. (This is not a Toyota problem but applies to most cars I believe.)
#261 of 285 Re: Toyota parts or GM? RE:#235 [remaxmarty1]
Jan 28, 2007 (10:28 pm)
My 06 Matrix has approximately 15,000 miles on the clock; the tires have been rotated per the maintenance schedule. The mileage is all highway. I am a little anal about tire inflation. Back to the dealer for alignment check once. Uneven wear, especially in the front and an annoying harmonic from the front. The Continental tires are on the wear bars and need to be replaced now. Interesting to hear of other similar stories. If there is any other information regarding resolution, please post.
#262 of 285 Re: Toyota parts or GM? RE:#235 [rocky101]
Mar 25, 2007 (12:53 pm)
go to the matrix board and lok up the tire wear issue.
#263 of 285 Re: Toyota parts or GM? RE:#235 [rocky101]
Mar 26, 2007 (4:47 pm)
Here ya go link
#264 of 285 Re: Toyota parts or GM? RE:#235 [steine13]
Jun 12, 2007 (3:48 pm)
I have a GM that got 58K on the original tires. My daughter has the exact same car and has over 50K on the original tires and they still look pretty good.
#265 of 285 Re: Pontiac Vibe vs Matrix pros and cons and rust proofing [oubaasjohn]
Jun 12, 2007 (3:57 pm)
All you have to do is make sure your vehicle is made with a galvanized body and stainless steel exhaust. I have a 92 Pontiac Bonneville that looks better than some new cars. Driven every day in Pgh area and only has minor rust.. that is only under the car... it also has it's original exhaust!!! unheard of around the Pgh area. I also have a 99 Pontiac Montana that still looks like new and a 02 Buick that all have stainless steel exhausts and galvanized bodies. Cars that need rustproofing gadgets are made with 70's metal and paint technology.
#266 of 285 I like the Matrix better, but Vibe is close.
Jun 13, 2007 (8:43 pm)
1. The Matrix looks better inside and out. The Matrix has a sleek look for a wagon, the Vibe is more box shaped. Matrix has tighter interior.
2. The Vibe is a little less expensive, but doesn't hold its value as well as Toyota. Is the Pontiac name associated with quality or cheap plastic? What is your visual when you hear the Toyota name?
3. The "Matrix" has a cooler name, the "Vibe" would have a cool name if this were the 60's. "Matrix" might be the coolest car name after the "Mustang". "Vibe" is a cooler name than "Yugo".
4. Vitamin D is not overrated. Sun roof is cooler than a luggage rack.
5. Carpet in the cargo area is just stupid.
I give the edge to the Matrix in every aspect except price, where you might see a $400-$500 difference depending on options. If you are looking for a less expensive alternative, look at the Ford Focus Wagon.
Both the Matrix and the Vibe are the two best SUV alternatives on the market in my opinion. If the 2009 Blade doesn't get better gas mileage than these two its not an improvement.
These two models have the smartest engineering I've seen in terms of efficiency and functionality. I predict they will be popular used cars for years to come.
#267 of 285 Re: I like the Matrix better, but Vibe is close. [kevinarnold]
Jun 14, 2007 (5:59 am)
Why do you think these cars (Matrix/Vibe) don't appear to be selling very well? I'm interested in one of these as a vehicle for daughter. Haven't test driven yet, but have talked to a couple owners who absolutely love them. Looks to me to be a pretty nice package, but I don't see many on the roads, and see diminishing models/options (awd dropped). I would want all the latest safety (side curtain air, vsc), and find availability slim to none.
It just may be that it's coming to the end of the model run and everyone knows it, like I've decided to wait.
Jun 14, 2007 (7:08 am)
What about this car? The Dodge Caliber seems directly designed to be competition for Matrix and Vibe.
- The Dodge Caliber looks almost military (an interesting design trend for a country at war)
- The Dodge C has bigger wheels than the Matrix or Vibe.
- The Dodge C has a built in cooler (for beer?)
- The Dodge has a (I think stupid) removable sound system and cabin light.
- The Dodge is about $2000 dollars cheaper.
So why is Chrysler not selling these like hot cakes?
I will answer that question as I drive a toyota - the quality is not there. Some not so obvious differences are that the door seems on the Japanese designs are filled with resin while the Dodge relies on a paint coat to protect the seems. The Dodge Caliber design leaves body panel overhangs around the wheels which appear unsupported and look cheap. The Dodge C also looks cheaper on the interior and some of the seat covers looked poorly designed with colour stripes - these may appeal to younger drivers but I look for classic long lasting appeal in a car not flashy, get tired of it tomorrow trendy bits.