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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#9996 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 - my two cents [das107]
Jul 26, 2007 (9:25 am)
I've driven them all recently; 1st the BMW - everyone claims it is unequaled in handling. Who am I to argue. The steering is very weighty, possibly too much at low speeds for some. It does manage to feel very tight and extremely smooth all at once. Definitely the driver's car but if you're on city streets the whole time you might never notice. Lousy cupholders & average interior layout, but the backseat is surprising decent. 2nd the Lexus - I like it less each time. Interior is superb but I find it overly cramped even up front. There's no place to set your phone down. It's also slow and those are two bad strikes. I did think it had good steering weight, handles fairly well and cornered flat. To me, I liked the Audi best. It's not really any bigger but it feels less cramped. The little four banger is plenty quick and gets great mpg. My only problem with the Audi - it's tired, looks like it's been around forever (especially the interior which is the same one from like 1999) and will be replaced by a the newer, better model inside of a year. So it's out for me. Personally, I'm gonna get a used A6. HOpe this helps, these things helped me make my decision.
#9997 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 - my two cents [snakesndafield]
Jul 26, 2007 (10:12 am)
"Lousy cupholders & average interior layout,"
Lends credence to the fact that people do care about cupholders...lol. Disagree about interior, it's to my liking and not as busy as some other interiors.
#9998 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [das107]
Jul 26, 2007 (10:18 am)
Dude, I've gotta echo what circlew said. I lived in and around the Chicago area for well over a decade and I cannot for the life of me understand why you want to waste your money on an AWD system that you aren't going to use.
Save your money, get a few extra goodies and be happy.
#9999 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [das107]
Jul 26, 2007 (10:19 am)
I'd be worried that an IS250/AWD/AT might be a bit slow, lot of weight, small engine + AT. Just not what I'd want to spend that much money on for a car that aspires to 'performance'. But driving is the only way to tell.
#10000 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 - my two cents [snakesndafield]
Jul 26, 2007 (10:20 am)
Agree about the interior. I didn't notice how "lousy" the cupholders are during my test drive since I don't use it much anyway. However, 3er's interior is the worst out of the 3 IMO. It's just...too plain. I know simplicity is good but there is a difference between simplicity and plain. Interior wise, all 3 have similar quality and fit-n'-finish, it's up to each person to decide which style suits him/her the best.
#10001 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [texases]
Jul 26, 2007 (10:23 am)
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro has similar HP as the IS250 AWD, has smaller engine. Don't know which one weighs more though. 328xi will no doubt be the performance king by a mile out of the 3.
#10002 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [louiswei]
Jul 26, 2007 (11:04 am)
A4 has torque in ample quantities compared to the 2.5 in the IS and with a $600 mod you can give the car 250 hp/280 ft-lbs of torque. On the AWD that'd get that car moving.
#10003 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [das107]
Jul 26, 2007 (12:44 pm)
My vote is for a 328i RWD.
Unless you really need AWD (i.e. anticipate driving in snow on more than an occasional basis), you are paying a lot for AWD. It is heavier, less fuel efficient and, depending upon how long you keep the car, prone to more expensive maintenance and repairs down the road.
The A4 Quatro is a heavy pig, IMO. I've been given one a couple of times as a loaner and was anxious to give it back. For all of the drooling others do over Audi's interiors, I just don't get it. I like the interior and ergonomics of my 2004 TL better. On the other end, I am spoiled by my 911, which has best "German" style interior and seats of any car, IMO.
I have not driven the IS250 AWD but, as has been pointed out, it would likely be highest in reliabiity, but lowest in performance and driving dynamics, if that is of any importance. Plus, the rear seat is almost worth a 2+2 designation (closer to my 911 than TL in leg room)
If I were in the market for a new sedan today, the 328/335 would likely be at the top of my short list.
#10004 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [habitat1]
Jul 26, 2007 (12:52 pm)
My vote is for a previous generation 3 series, factory certified.
*edit* Or two generations
The new ones are like the new IS350 - bloated and heavy things with no soul anymore. Or wait and get the 3 series of old(idea-wise) in a new package when the 1 series comes out.
#10005 of 16984 Re: BMW 3xi vs. Lexus IS 250 & Audi A4 [plekto]
Jul 26, 2007 (1:00 pm)
Well, I think you might have to go back a couple generations, not just one, to get a 3 series that has the "soul" you are looking for.
I agree that the 3 series has grown practically to the size of the 5 series of 10 years ago. But of the cars under consideration, it still handles that size and weight the best, IMO.