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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Lexus IS 250, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Lighter than I6 [fedlawman] by thegraduate
Apr 06, 2007 (10:18 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Apr 06, 2007 6:18 pm)

Wow, I didn't realize how incredibly portly these little cars are compared to mine. I have two Accords, a 1996 and a 2006, both are 4-cylinder models. The old one weighs less than 2900 lbs, while the new one weighs less than 3200. The compact, sporty BMW weighs 3,500-3,600 lbs! Amazing to me!
 
I know guys, this isn't typically my forum, but I troll around occasionally, and just had to comment.
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Re: Lighter than I6 [thegraduate] by kyfdx HOST
Apr 06, 2007 (10:22 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 06, 2007 10:18 pm)

That is a good observation.. Excess weight is the enemy of good handling...
 
I'd rather that BMW concentrate on weight reduction, rather than increased horsepower...
 
Unfortunately, it seems much easier (cheaper?) to increase horsepower, than to reduce weight.
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A ELLPS or LPS ? by rockylee
Apr 07, 2007 (7:22 am)
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Well how bout the new Luxury car in the segment the Hyundai Genesis coming out next year ?
  
Any comments from this crowd ?
  
Rocky
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4000 lb Hyundai? by plekto
Apr 07, 2007 (9:35 am)
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I can see it - they will just do the 80s GM version of luxury by adding things until the frame is straining to stay straight.
 
I want a light and fast car. It's silly how a new 3 series is heavier than a 96-02 Mercedes E-Class. It's only 100lbs lighter than this:
 
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1996-buick-park-avenue-4.htm
 
Something's just wrong if the smallest cars are now almost as heavy as a ten year old Park Avenue.
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Re: 4000 lb Hyundai? [plekto] by rockylee
Apr 07, 2007 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 07, 2007 9:35 am)

LOL, you do have a point. It's all the electronic nannies and safety equiment we are demanded to have.
 
Rocky
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Re: 4000 lb Hyundai? [plekto] by circlew
Apr 07, 2007 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 07, 2007 9:35 am)

OK, good point. However, the overweight car I drive can out maneuver every CURRENT US sled in this weight class. Bar NONE.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: 4000 lb Hyundai? [circlew] by rockylee
Apr 07, 2007 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 07, 2007 12:47 pm)

OW, what do you drive again ? A Bimmer ?
 
Rocky
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Re: 4000 lb Hyundai? [rockylee] by circlew
Apr 07, 2007 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 07, 2007 1:08 pm)

330xi. Best performing car I've had yet (even with the DGC weights designed in!).
 
1966 Pontiac Lemans, 1968 Dodge Dart GT, 1969 Buick Skylark, 1976 Pontiac Grand Prix, 1988 Lincoln M7 LSC, 1997 Pontiac GP GTP, 2003 Lincoln LS
 
I am ALL-Americaned OUT!
 
Regards,
OW
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The Side-Impact Standards . . . by cdnpinhead
Apr 07, 2007 (2:00 pm)
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may have quite a bit to do with this, along with any number of other nanny-state items. The old cars were light and were designed with the assumption that the driver would strap himself in & avoid all that he could. It's a YOYO (you're on your own) thing.
 
Otherwise, you die, and there's no one to sue.
 
That approach has been shown to be way, way out of date.
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Re: The Side-Impact Standards . . . [cdnpinhead] by circlew
Apr 07, 2007 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 07, 2007 2:00 pm)

...and also due to the SUV-ramming factor for survival.
 
The 330 does quite well despite the added weight, IMO. I' read the same about the E92 also. I am sure this would improve with -200 lbs. but it is what it is.
 
I was in shock to see a Semi driver on the cell phone the other day negotiating a wide right turn onto the freeway with 16 wheels following his un-funfocused direction and thought about defensive driving can only get you so far...
 
Regards,
OW

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