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#8805 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [kdshapiro] by 1487

Mar 13, 2007 (12:57 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 13, 2007 12:39 pm)
The car suffered some type of engine failure that had it in the shop for 5 weeks. The repair would've cost $4300 if the car wasnt under warranty. Of course they gave it 4/5 stars and said it was great anyway. I doubt that would've been the case if it wasnt a 3 series. Its just one more example that build and material quality have nothing to do with reliability. Automobile said this is the 4th long term BMW they have had engine problems with since 1994.
 
Many have said they will respect the CTS when is reaches the "world class" status of its foreign competitors but to me world class embodies a lot of things. None of these cars is perfect and while the CTS's interior design is quite odd I havent heard anything about CTS engine rebuilds at 20k miles. I guess it all depends on how one defines world class.

#8806 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [1487] by andres3

Mar 13, 2007 (1:07 pm)

Replying to: 1487 (Mar 13, 2007 12:57 pm)
I don't think the example you cite means that build and material quality have nothing to do with with reliability. Sure, engineering and design plays a big part, but build and material quality has tons to do with breakdowns. I mean; it was some mechanical physical part that must of been of LOW quality in order to fail in performance (stop working) so early in life.

#8807 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [1487] by kdshapiro

Mar 13, 2007 (2:25 pm)

Replying to: 1487 (Mar 13, 2007 12:57 pm)
I understand all manufacturers (even Lexus and Acura) have some issues with some cars. Sounds like Automobile has been unlikely.

#8808 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [kdshapiro] by blueguydotcom

Mar 13, 2007 (4:09 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 13, 2007 2:25 pm)
You mean unlucky?

#8809 of 16087 Re: Wood Interior [circlew] by habitat1

Mar 13, 2007 (5:32 pm)

Replying to: circlew (Mar 13, 2007 10:32 am)
I love wood too - we have solid cherry windows, doors/frames, baseboards, etc in our current house (4,000 board feet of the stuff for those that know what a board foot is).
 
However, all the wood in the world wouldn't get me to buy a Jaguar today - too much Ford shows through and they forgot how to make manual transmissions. Not to mention driving dynamics that are hardly "sporty". First and foremost to me is how well a car is engineered and performs. It needs to look good too, but if the looks are only skin deep, it won't work for me.
 
Nice boat.

#8810 of 16087 Re: Wood Interior [habitat1] by circlew

Mar 14, 2007 (3:55 am)

Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 13, 2007 5:32 pm)
I agree. For Jag, they there always to car for Corvette to wipe the road with. But I do like their interiors.
 
Regards,
OW

#8811 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [andres3] by 1487

Mar 14, 2007 (5:46 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Mar 13, 2007 1:07 pm)
I think its been pretty thoroughly proven that build quality and reliability arent related. Look at VWs for an example. Obviously owners arent aware of the build quality of the internals of their cars so when I speak of build quality I'm talking about external components that you can see.

#8812 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [kdshapiro] by 1487

Mar 14, 2007 (5:51 am)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 13, 2007 2:25 pm)
I think its a little more than unlucky if you have four cars with issues in 13 years. If a real customer had that kind of bad luck I dont think they would be buying BMW again.

#8813 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [1487] by circlew

Mar 14, 2007 (7:17 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Mar 14, 2007 5:51 am)
1487, totally agree.
 
Regards,
OW

#8814 of 16087 Re: 3 series size [1487] by kdshapiro

Mar 14, 2007 (7:19 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Mar 14, 2007 5:51 am)
I agree. Judging by the sales numbers and plant utilitization, one could hypothesize these types of problems are the exception rather than the rule. If BMW is as bad as all that, for the smallest guy on the block they wouldn't be leading in sales in the ELLPS and the LPS categories.
 
Or, maybe the BMW buyers' priorities are different than the family sedan buyers priorities.

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