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#8618 of 16251 Re: Intellichoice Cadillac CTS vs Acura TLS-s... [joe131] by habitat1

Mar 07, 2007 (2:33 pm)

Replying to: joe131 (Mar 07, 2007 7:59 am)
"Intellichoice figures in my previous post were for 2007 cars, not 2004. They are best estimations of what an average owner can reasonably expect, not numbers based on your own personal cars and your one person experience."
 
The figures I quoted were ACTUAL KBB trade-in values for comparably equiped 2004 models TODAY. They weren't my personal figures. And they weren't some hypothetical estimate of future resale values.
 
"In the case of CTS/TLS the target prices were CTS $31,302 and TLS-S $36,504."
 
Again, I think you're way the heck off on an apples to apples comparison. The MSRP of a CTS is $41,000+/- for a car with most - but not all - of the features found in a base TL w/ Nav. The base TL MSRP is $36,000+/-. Why don't you compare a TL-S to a CTS-V? If you are telling me that a CTS with an MSRP of $41k could be purchased for $10k off at $31.3, well then that's almost a good deal. A bast TL with a MSRP could be purchased for about $2k more than that, but would still be worth $5k more in 3 years.
 
Slice, dice, and fry the figures any way you want. In the real world, GM has horrible resale and Cadillac brings up the rear. Any Japanese or German premium car will have considerably higher resale as a percentage of it's purchase price. These aren't my figures and can be easily verifiable by looking at current resale values.

#8619 of 16251 Re: Informal Poll - ELLPS [blueguydotcom] by habitat1

Mar 07, 2007 (2:49 pm)

Replying to: blueguydotcom (Mar 07, 2007 2:15 pm)
What are you talking about - the order cars that you would like to drive off a cliff?
 
I seem to recall that in spite of owning what I consider to be an excellent car - BMW 330i - you have little nice to say about the direction BMW has gone with respect to size and style? And several times claimed that BMWs were poorly built cars - giving your lenghty list of problems as evidence. Now you have elevated Audi and VW to an upper tier with BMW. Egads! Have you given in completely to self torture?
 
We are generally in the same camp in this forum, but as much as I wish my TL 6-speed were RWD, the only car I would definitely put ahead of it if I were to be ELLPS shopping today is the 335i. I might give the G35 sport a try, but Infiniti still seems to employ the committee approach to design and styling. The ELLPS Audis are way too fat and VW, Mazda and Subaru are, at best, decent economy cars, not ELLPS. I don't know how to drive a slushbox, so Lexus is out.

#8620 of 16251 Suspension Components and Tuning by andres3

Mar 07, 2007 (3:00 pm)

Are very important. Economy car's do not have any BMW or Audi-like suspension tuning.

#8621 of 16251 Re: Informal Poll - ELLPS [habitat1] by blueguydotcom

Mar 07, 2007 (3:07 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 07, 2007 2:49 pm)
I seem to recall that in spite of owning what I consider to be an excellent car - BMW 330i - you have little nice to say about the direction BMW has gone with respect to size and style? And several times claimed that BMWs were poorly built cars - giving your lenghty list of problems as evidence. Now you have elevated Audi and VW to an upper tier with BMW. Egads! Have you given in completely to self torture?
 
My excuse: they're more fun to drive than the other cars listed in this segment.
  
...but as much as I wish my TL 6-speed were RWD
 
We took out a TL Type-S about 3 weeks ago. The car was...large for our tastes. Very big, very heavy and it felt that way.
 
The ELLPS Audis are way too fat
 
A3 is about 3250 lbs - far leaner than anything in ELLPS arena right now.
 
and VW, Mazda and Subaru are, at best, decent economy cars, not ELLPS.
 
I was making a point that I'd altogether abandon ELLPS before getting any of the other cars in this segment.

#8622 of 16251 Re: Suspension Components and Tuning [andres3] by dfc3

Mar 07, 2007 (3:12 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Mar 07, 2007 3:00 pm)
Which is a reason why I took the MB C280 over non-German options.

#8623 of 16251 Half a pie is filling for some... [fedlawman] by joe131

Mar 07, 2007 (3:24 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Mar 07, 2007 1:50 pm)
Or, if you only drive at 5/10ths, you can buy a used Hyundai like mine and be happily bored.

#8624 of 16251 Re: Informal Poll - ELLPS [habitat1] by pat

Mar 07, 2007 (3:34 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 07, 2007 2:49 pm)
In all the years he's been posting here, blueguydotcom has always been his own car's worst critic, no matter what he's driving.

#8625 of 16251 Re: Half a pie is filling for some... [joe131] by fedlawman

Mar 07, 2007 (3:37 pm)

Replying to: joe131 (Mar 07, 2007 3:24 pm)
Or take the bus...

#8626 of 16251 Re: Informal Poll - ELLPS [pat] by blueguydotcom

Mar 07, 2007 (3:37 pm)

Replying to: pat (Mar 07, 2007 3:34 pm)
I was pretty darn nice to my e46 - I wouldn't lie about its problems - but I really enjoyed that car on a daily basis.

#8627 of 16251 Re: Suspension Components and Tuning [dfc3] by andres3

Mar 07, 2007 (3:45 pm)

Replying to: dfc3 (Mar 07, 2007 3:12 pm)
Yes, it is amazing to me that some people think a 6 CD changer makes a car more luxurious than a superior suspension.

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