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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#8440 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [shipo]
Mar 05, 2007 (5:16 am)
Did I miss something?
Since when did the BMW 5 become a member of the ELLPS class? Has it somehow fallen out of favor as an LPS member?
Or, somehow, has the rumor and speculation about the new CTS allowed it to join the LPS class before it is even reviewed?
If we're going to talk about wheelbase, cubic this thats and the other thing, why isn't there mention of similarly sized cars from Hyundai? That spanky top o' the line model is, after all, comparable to a BMW 7 (in size). It says so in all the adverts.
Spent wheel time again this weekend in a 2007 Chrysler 300 AWD "Limited." Lovely car, great MSRP, considering it has "a lot" if not almost all the amenities that come in the ELLPS and/or LPS class.
Yet I get out of a 2007 300 with 1,000 miles on the OD into a 2005 Audi A6 with 30,000+ miles on it, and the Audi feels newer, tighter, more controlled, refined, smooth, etc. The 300 seems somehow looser, not quite as precise in its steering, a little bit unrefined and floaty at speeds over 65. But with a nice long wheelbase, good leather, a decent stereo with Sirius Radio, and power pedals even -- what a lot of car for the money. Heck it has ESP and some fine Mercedes underwear. Upgraded 18" wheels and tires round out the package as do easily modulated and smooth four corner disk brakes.
For the money, apparently, nothing even comes close -- but for pity's sake, it isn't in the same class as the other LPS cars (or even some of these ELLPS cars.)
The current CTS (also a car that I've driven extensively) is very competent and nearly as tight as the "real" LPS cars. But, to keep comparing cars based soley on wheelbase or 0-60 times or cubic hectares per fortnight seems (to me) to miss the point.
Shipo, the question stands, did the 5 series somehow fall from grace? Could the new CTS, not even out yet, already be the newest LPS?
#8441 of 16982 Re: Still... [nkeen]
Mar 05, 2007 (5:16 am)
#8442 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [markcincinnati]
Mar 05, 2007 (6:00 am)
No worries Mark, I was just responding to some marginally accurate statements regarding the acceleration of the current (and very soon to be discontinued) 525i and 530i.
As far as I know, the 5-Series is still and will continue to be one of the benchmark holders of the LPS class of cars.
Oh, and the CTS? Even with the impending new model, I trust it will continue to be an also-ran in the ELLPS category.
#8443 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [shipo]
Mar 05, 2007 (8:04 am)
To elaborate on the Caddy representing this segment, the true test of even staying on the list in this forum is apparently more appropriate.
As usual, this US manufacturer is off the mark because the CTS tries to compete with too many models in different segments. I can't expect anything unique coming from the Catera family line. Hopefully, they kill it off soon.
It is up to the Host, of course, to decide that for this forum..
#8444 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [shipo]
Mar 05, 2007 (8:50 am)
Can you even say those numbers are accurate when the cars aren't even coming off the assembly line yet?
#8445 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [hauss]
Mar 05, 2007 (9:33 am)
"Can you even say those numbers are accurate when the cars aren't even coming off the assembly line yet?"
I could tell you how I know that, but then I'd have to kill you.
FWIW, I believe that the cars are now coming off the assembly line and will start appearing on our shores sometime between mid April and mid May. As for the times I posted, ummm, let's just say that BMW has a habit of being conservative with these numbers, and that the tests that'll start showing up in magazine in a month or two will most likely best these times.
#8446 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [shipo]
Mar 05, 2007 (10:34 am)
My only point is that we can only speculate on the performance of those cars because no one has driven one of them yet.
#8448 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [shipo]
Mar 05, 2007 (10:44 am)
Based on your posts I would assume you are an avid BMW fan. First of all the current CTS (and many other RWD vehicles) is very close to the 5 in terms of handling, especially if you're talking about the V. I see that your perceptions of CAdillac are stuck somewhere in the 1990s but most of the press and those who follow the industry realize Cadillac is capable of building sporty RWD sedans. If you think the current or next CTS will be an also ran than you dont know much about the car at all.
The 535 better be fast when you consider how much it costs. Sure it will be fastest in class, but how much will you pay to get that extra .3secs in the quarter mile?
#8449 of 16982 Re: Coming to a dealer near you this spring... [circlew]
Mar 05, 2007 (10:49 am)
"I can't expect anything unique coming from the Catera family line. Hopefully, they kill it off soon. "
A new CTS is coming out in august with a 300hp DI 3.6 V6, AWD and 6 speed auto. The car sold well so your contention that the car was "off the mark" is somewhat baseless. The CTS didnt outsell cars like the 3 series because it only has two three engines and one body style. COnsidering the lack of depth in its model lineup the car did well and it increased in sales from 2002 through 2005 topping out at close to 60K units I believe.