Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#8123 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [rockylee]
Feb 11, 2007 (6:32 am)
And what would want to entice me to buy this car? No doubt the CTS will appeal to diehard CTS fans, but I think Cadillac will go under when BMW releases it's tri-turbo 345i model slated as a 2010 model. Sporting 1000hp/1000 torque, it signals a new era for the 3 series and for BMW. It will run a combination of gas/diesel and or hydrogen.
That car is rumored to have 1 terabyte of solid-state memory with a PCI-Express uplink bus as the nerve-fiber that connects all components. It's brain is rumored to be quad-core Intel chips run Linux-mobile. It will have 35 speakers on the Logic-10 system will support 10.2 surround sound. It will also support HD-DVD and Blu-ray audio discs.
More details to follow...
#8124 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [kdshapiro]
Feb 11, 2007 (6:38 am)
Suggest that posts to this board stick with currently available cars IMHO. Too often features that are projected to appear on future cars don't arrive or have different characteristics. Next maybe we'll be projecting performance figures like one car magazine has already done. Let's have a dose of reality; this board is valuable for perspectives of those who actually own or have driven some of the curren ELLPS, not the hyperbole of marketers.
#8125 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [kdshapiro]
Feb 11, 2007 (7:27 am)
I agree with pv2 and will also add based on BMW's track record I doubt half of that technology you listed really works and BMW's reliability track record suggests that kind of car will spend most of it's time in the shop while I'm out cruising in my poor CTS. BTW cost of that car won't put it in the ELLPS segment as it would cost six-seven figures but perhaps in 3 years we will allow cars in that price segment to to be considered as a ELLPS ????
#8126 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [rockylee]
Feb 11, 2007 (7:38 am)
Electric and Hybrid technology will obviate the engine as we know it. This will happen in all segments. Projecting no changes except more power current performance numbers and styling cues gets quite boring. Just like the US auto industry. I love seeing all of those 12 MPG SUV's just sitting there on GM's and F.O.R.D.' s dealer lots. I do not see that at BMW, Lexus and Infinity. This tells me the bleeding continues which will force major changes that just are inevitable.
Let's project the future in what we really want to see happen in the ELLPS of the future as well as what is happening now.
Just my opinion.
#8127 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [circlew]
Feb 11, 2007 (7:48 am)
This tells me the bleeding continues which will force major changes that just are inevitable.
I'm not sure where you live OW, but I don't see that problem in my neck of the woods.
I think in the near future you will witness a policy change that will reverse the fortunes. (That is a topic for another discussion)
GM, is doing very well here in the Texas Panhandle and many friends are excited about the 08' CTS
#8128 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [pv2]
Feb 11, 2007 (8:57 am)
I guess you and rocky were a little too slow to see that kdshapiro was exercising a little satiric humor with his post about the 1,000 hp 345i?
It's not kd or me or others here, but rather Rocky that seems to be the one constantly living in the future, hoping against history that somehow GM and Ford's next generation of vehicles won't be as pitifully uncompetitive as the current batch or previous 2-3+ decades worth.
Rocky, if GM is "doing just fine" on the Texas panhandle, that's great. But I have at least two former business school classmates that have higher net worths than the market capitalization of Ford and GM. They are not doing well on any level of business metric. In my opinion, the future (if there is one) of American car manufacturers no longer rests with Ford or GM as we know them. It's time for a new compnay to be created by business and engineering professionals backed by private equity to develop and produce cars truly competitive with BMW, Honda and Porsche. The GM and Ford images have gotten to be far too heavy baggage, not to mention their legacy labor and management problems.
#8129 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [habitat1]
Feb 11, 2007 (9:16 am)
you ran that story of how rich your buddy's by me a few months ago. I know you rub elbows with the Trumps, Hiltons, Gates. *cough* BS
Well I'm not sure what this all has to do with ELLPS's but when I was referring to the 08' CTS it was a realistic car and sited sources to back me including edmunds. I know kdshapiro, was enjoying the oppertunity to lob a "cheap shot" my way as I don't post much in the ELLPS forum.
Well I'm sure you enjoyed it and maybe your uncle who you will claim is the "Sultan of Dubai" will buy you one of those BMW 345i's before they come out via hitting speed dial to Stuggart
#8130 of 16984 Re: Need advice on Introductory Luxury car purchase [rockylee]
Feb 11, 2007 (10:35 am)
Rocky, I'm hoping GM (and even Ford) succeeds as much as you do. However, you post in the ELLPS forum quite a lot. I have to call you on that one.
I do need to make a correction. The current Cadillac CTS does play MP3 CD's. It just doesn't have an AUX jack for MP3/Minidisc/Handheld music players like pretty much every mass market car that's not a Porsche does. (Yes, it will be resolved w/ the 2008 CTS that won't be out until Aug/Sept. So, it's not available now. Therefore, it doesn't have it.)
#8131 of 16984 Soon to be ELLPS
Feb 11, 2007 (10:37 am)
I do not see a US stamp on any future next gen technology (except the privete firms that Habitat1 relates). Here is an example that will no doubt come to a 3'er real soon.
BMW has announced the introduction of the new BMW Hydrogen 7, the world's first hydrogen-drive luxury performance automobile. The car - a vehicle that has undergone the regular Product Development Process - will be built in a limited series in Europe and driven in the US and other countries by selected users in 2007.
That is why GM and Ford will morph into an international real soon. My guess is 2010.
Feb 11, 2007 (2:00 pm)
What I find interesting is that so many peolpe are deriding Cadillac for things like nav and bluetooth and AWD and...
What part of "entry-level" isn't sinking in?
Entry-level at $30K certainly can suffer from a few less frills, IMO.