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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7959 of 16984 Re: Btw... [habitat1]
Jan 26, 2007 (3:56 am)
Hmmm, I thought everybody around here knew that I used to work for MB-USA.
Maybe you missed the following post from nearly two years ago.
shipo, "Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans" #6085, 3 Feb 2005 2:09 pm
As you can see, when I said "...after nearly getting myself fired...", what I really should have said is "...after nearly getting myself fired on the spot...", my stay of execution only lasted about three months. The folks in Stuttgart wanted me to stay on, on their payroll, however, two months after the SLK incident, my wife gave birth to our second child and there was just no way I could spend the next several years flying back and forth to Germany. Geez, if they'd offered me that gig when I was single, I'd have been all over it like shine on a polyester leisure suit.
#7960 of 16984 Re: Btw... [shipo]
Jan 26, 2007 (5:34 am)
That's a great story. And worth re-posting in the "Future of the Manual Transmission" forum.
I too wonder in other areas whether it's "conventional wisdon" or just plain arrogance that perpetuates some bad business decisions. One could conclude today that, of course, Mercedes' buyers want automatics, because anyone who wants a stick has self selected out of their customer pool. But, if I'm not mistaken, the 3-series crushes the C class in sales and the M5 beats the E55 in resale value.
A friend of mine bought one of the very first E-classes around 1988 and ordered it with a manual. The dealer tried to forewarn him about resale. He responded that he'll just have to take it to a BMW dealer when he was ready to trade, down the road.
#7961 of 16984 Re: Btw... [habitat1]
Jan 26, 2007 (7:08 am)
Don't forget that the C230 & C350 are available with a manual six-speed. I didn't realize it myself until ~a year ago, when it was pointed out & later verified (by me).
There are other reasons the 3 series moves more vehicles than the C class, however. It's certainly reflected in my short list for my next car -- the 3 is on top & the C is at 3 or 4, depending on my mood that day.
#7962 of 16984 Re: Interesting article [pat]
Jan 26, 2007 (7:39 am)
Isn't gas cheaper than California everywhere, at least in the States?
Hmmm... what's the price in hawaii? I would think, unless they have a well and processing plant on the island, it SHOULD be quite expensive, no?
#7963 of 16984 Hawaii Gas Price
Jan 26, 2007 (8:09 am)
Quite expensive, yes. Cheapest price in HI is $2.79 and highest price is $3.15 per Gal.
#7964 of 16984 Re: Hawaii Gas Price [circlew]
Jan 26, 2007 (8:30 am)
That is a tad higher than Calif, but in the Bay Area we have the largest refinery west of the Mississippi, and we still have the highest gas prices in the state.
#7965 of 16984 Re: Btw... [shipo]
Jan 26, 2007 (11:08 am)
You are right, the car may indeed be more fun, and more sports car like with a manual transmission. And they are right, people do not drive sticks much in USA, so most all the sales would be in automatics. And I am sure it is a fun car to drive with the automatic. Rack and pinion steering would have helped. They offer the CTS with a stick, yet I have yet to see one on the lot. And if you bought one, it would be hard to resell. I have a stick PT right now, and I bet I take a lickin' for choosing that. The gas mileage is better, but most people do not want a stick or can not master the manual tranny.
They had a waiting list for buyers of the SLK, so they made the right choice in the package, wouldn't you say? That is from a dollar stand point. One problem is going to be bad press, with only an automatic. The test drivers love to point out cars with an automatic only as being one which is not a true sports car. So what? I bet more women than men bought them, and that 90% of all buyers of a Mercedes would expect an automatic. Now a Miata is a different breed. Those are more like an MG class of car where the buyer expects to see the stick in there. Do they sell many BMW3 cars with a stick?
Jan 26, 2007 (11:10 am)
Do they sell many BMW3 cars with a stick?
Yes. I know very few BMW 3 owners with an automatic actually.
#7967 of 16984 Re: Btw... [blueguydotcom]
Jan 26, 2007 (12:57 pm)
Do they sell many BMW3 cars with a stick?
I could find very few 3-series with manual tranny in my recent visits to SoCal BMW dealers. The ratio is like 2 in 100. Some dealers don't even have manual in stock for test drive. One can say that all the 3ers with stick are sold, but the reality is that the majority of buyers want automatic. With their few stick-shifts in stock, for those manual tranny buyers the chance of getting the color/options they want is slim to none. Therefore, they end up special ordering them, which is what I will do.
#7968 of 16984 Re: Hawaii Gas Price [frisconick]
Jan 26, 2007 (1:02 pm)
in the Bay Area we have the largest refinery west of the Mississippi
I'm surprised Pelosi hasn't shut that thing down.