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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7929 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [goddess_1]
Jan 23, 2007 (3:04 pm)
Let's see. Female, under 40, single, lives in the SW (mostly in a car) where it doesn't rain or snow. And you are trying to choose between a Mercedes C280 and a Volvo S60? I doubt I'd want to trade jobs or cars with you, but as I'm slushing through the first snow of Boston while my 911 sits in the garage, I wouldn't mind trading locations for the next couple of months.
There were some inconsistencies in your previous posts. I assume you know that the Mercedes is RWD, not FWD as your previous post indicated you wanted to stick with. And, from what I've seen, the C280 would run close to $40k new loaded up with "serious creature comforts". And you alternated from indicating you were looking at 06/07 models (new) to "if I wanted inflated, I'd buy new".
I'm not exactly sure what you want and am hesitant to give advice, but...from a (barely) 30's something female to another, I offer two alternatives. A nice "certified" used low mileage 04/05 Boxster S, preferably in Speed Yellow, loaded with amenities for around $35k. It will get you better gas mileage and a boatload more smiles than the old folks cars you are considering.
Or, given that that suggestion is probably already in the trash can, search around for a used, low mileage 2005 E320 CDI. They can be had in the mid to high $30's (less than a new C280). The E-class is a big step up from the C-class. More comfortable, better built, lasts longer, etc. The CDI will give you considerably better gas mileage (35+ highway), with better acceleration than the other two.
I can't even pick between your choices. Way, way too boring.
Sorry, came over here because a friend is looking to get a ELLPS, as they call them. I'll get on with my other business.
#7930 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [redsoxgirl]
Jan 23, 2007 (8:35 pm)
You're right - I meant RWD! Used '07 C280s are already starting to show up here . . . fickle, ADD buyers around here. "Real" sports cars like yours are not suited for me, but thanks for your input. Hopefully, the winter won't last too long for you!
#7931 of 16984 Re: g35 trunk storage [ricka1]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:44 pm)
I should have done this test, as I carry my clubs all the time! I am in Santa Barbara, so safe to leave clubs in the trunk all the time, e.g. does not get too hot. I need to have at least space for two sets of clubs. Mine and my playing partner. Ughhh, that was stupid of me to not check this out. Too late now, my car arrives in a month.
That is why I did not buy a convertible - none of them had a trunk big enough for more than one set of clubs, and most could not fit one set of clubs.
#7932 of 16984 Re: minivan sports car [fedlawman]
Jan 23, 2007 (10:21 pm)
Maybe that's because the Volvo is a station wagon and those others are minivans or trucks?
#7933 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [goddess_1]
Jan 24, 2007 (6:22 am)
Now that I think about it, I'll second redsoxgirl nomination of a used 2005 E320 CDI as a viable alternative to the new or slightly used 20007 C280.
My marketing director has an E320 CDI, the sales manager that works for her has a 2004 C240. We have driven both of them to lunch together on dozens of occassions. The E320 is in a whole different league above the C class. Frankly, even with the imrpovements and revisions for the 2007 model, the C class just seems too much like a mediocre car for those that must have the Mercedes badge. It is NOT on the same playing field as the BMW 3 series, which has tremendous attributes in its own right (i.e. separate from the 5 series) as the best performing, best handling ELLPS. The C class seems like it's simply geared to those that can't afford the E class. IMO, the C class is a definite notch down from the TL.
When you look at how well the E320 CDI holds its value, plus the great fuel economy and moderate maintenance requirements, it's not much more expensive, if at all, than a gussied up C280. I'd go for the real thing, especially if comfort is a primary concern. The E320CDI is silky smooth at 75-80 on the highway. The C class feels like a Toyota by comparison. Which is not bad, but not great.
Try to find some ADD sellers of CDI's.
#7934 of 16984 Re: minivan sports car [joe131]
Jan 24, 2007 (7:34 am)
The V70's handling isn't "atrocious." I'd say it's simply "not sporty."
It has a smooth ride that absorbs all manner of road imperfections, yet it corners with minimal roll. It leans and pushes through corners about as bad as a Honda Accord - not sporty, but not flaccid either.
We love it for it's suprememly comfortable seats, airy interior, light but communicative steering, and very nice leather and wood trimmed interior. The cockpit is very driver oriented, and it's a pleasure to drive around town and on long freeway treks. Of course the safety engineering built into it goes without saying.
Better tires and firmer springs/shocks would make it a sporty handler, but even stock, it's more than adequate for transporting 4 kids (+ equipment) to soccer practice or taking 2-week road trips down to California.
Anyways, it's by far the most comfortable, stylish, economical (30+ MPG hwy), and sportiest vehicle that I can think of that seats 7 or hauls sheetrock with the tailgate closed. It's got plenty of passing power in the mountains - even fully loaded, and it's been as trouble free as any Honda I've ever owned - and I've owned 5 over the years.
I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too. You cannot have uncompromised comfort and sport in one car. I do think that, if you're willing to compromise, the ELLPS segment is as good a compromise as any, but I tried to live with an ELLPS and I didn't like it. For me, the only solution was to own 2 cars with very distinct personalities/functions. The Volvo V70 for serene errand running/family touring, and the BMW M3 for weekend canyon carving and racetrack lapping.
#7936 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [habitat1]
Jan 24, 2007 (9:23 pm)
I had a 2006 C280 4Matic for a loaner car recently and it didn't drive anything like my CLK. I was shocked. It didn't have the Mercedes ride or feel. It is as if the C has been seriously decontented over the last few years. I drove a 2001 C320 Sport when the C first came out and I remember it driving way better than the recent C280. Strange.
#7937 of 16984 Re: Interesting article [pat]
Jan 24, 2007 (10:41 pm)
So the tax payers are subsidizing Toyota and other hybrids - wonderful. And they get to use a special lane on the freeway - wonderful. Why not just let the rich buy the lane use -- oh wait, they can not do that as well. Oh well, I am not living in a big city, only paying for the cars.
Yet another luxury car -- the special lane and free parking hybrid.
When those Prius cars reach the end of their life cycle, I bet they will make pretty cool skateboard ramps. A local dealership has over 20 in stock right now. Must no longer be in demand. Ah, but there is $3.50 gas pricing ahead for 2007 -- well maybe there is. That said, I still would not want such a beast.
#7938 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [merc1]
Jan 25, 2007 (2:08 am)
Your experience is similar to what I have heard among my friends with Mercedes. Older "C"s, albeit always smaller than the E, were more substantial feeling and not nearly as much of a stepchild. More recently, the gap between the E and C has risen, at least in the subjective driving feel and "solidity".
The CLK, as best I can tell, notwithstanding it's links to the C, has always been a separate class and has not suffered the same degredation. I still remember my first time in an early CLK thinking this is what a "cockpit" should look and feel like in a sport coupe. It looked and drove better than the E class, IMO. Made me even consider giving up my requirement for a manual transmission! Unfortunately, it was way above my affordability level at the time.