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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7909 of 16984 Re: actually [pat]
Jan 22, 2007 (3:18 pm)
Fair enough, pat.
goddess_1 doesn't want to experience pain (excessive maintenance and repairs over 8-10 years), so she's asking us which is better, a sharp stick in the eye (Volvo) or bamboo under the finger nails (Mercedes). I too might have suggested a third or fourth alternative that required hardly any spilling of blood whatsoever, but if those are the only choices, I'd vote for Mercedes. I know a lot more people that have eeked 130k miles out of Mercedes than Volvos without getting nickle and dimed (or dollared) to death. And they look better in the process. But with either one, I'd be tempted to get an extended warranty.
You might want look at the used car lots of your local Mercedes and Volvo dealers for 6-8 year old specimens and think about which you would have been happier with, had you made this decision in 1999. I suspect Mercedes.
#7910 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [goddess_1]
Jan 22, 2007 (3:35 pm)
If money isn't an issue then I'd go with C280, otherwise the S60 isn't too bad of a choice either. It's a toss-up IMO honestly. Make sure you go with your heart not your brain so you won't have buyer's remorse in the future.
I used to like Volvo back in the late 80's and early 90's but now whenever I see a Volvo I see a glorified Ford.
#7911 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [louiswei]
Jan 22, 2007 (3:55 pm)
Only the new Volvo's have Ford DNA in them (mostly it's Ford's borrowing from Volvo DNA).
The S60 is a 5 or 6 year old platform (MY2001 I think) so that argument is moot.
I also don't buy into the whole reliability argument. Maybe the Japanese cars have a very slight edge in "predicted reliability" over the long haul, but all new cars today are pretty darn reliable. In all likelihood, a new Volvo or Mercedes, if properly maintained, will make just as fine a 10 year old car as a Honda or Toyota.
I work for a federal government agency, and we have a fleet of about 60 American cars assigned out to us. We keep all of these Dodge pickups, Ford Explorers & Tauruses, Chevy Luminas & Blazers, etc. for 7-8 years and 100,000 miles. In the 13 years I've worked for the feds, I've never seen a single car go out of service due to catastrophic mechanical failure - and we drive these cars hard. I've had more than a dozen cars assigned to me over the years, and I've never had a major breakdown. In fact, after I surplussed my M-B S420 last fall, I was assigned a beautiful '99 Ford Taurus. I've had it since July and so far, it's tight as a drum and trouble free.
I'm certain that a Mercedes or Volvo, driven normally and maintained properly, will provide years of reliable, comfortable service. Don't get sucked in by all the anecdotal hype you read here and elsewhere. Cars are machines designed and built by humans. No car is perfect, and any car can have it's share of problems. Buy the one you like best and enjoy it.
#7912 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [fedlawman]
Jan 22, 2007 (4:28 pm)
after I surplussed my M-B S420 last fall, I was assigned a beautiful '99 Ford Taurus.
Just out of curiosity, how did you go from S420 to a Taurus? Are both of them provided from your agency?
#7913 of 16984 g35 trunk storage
Jan 22, 2007 (4:58 pm)
Drove the 07 TL and G35. The TL handled nicely even with the FWD. The G was somewhat tighter. Both had nicely appointed interiors. The TL is somewhat wider on the inside but not by much. My issue is the trunk. Didn't have my clubs with me but when opening the trunk--especially the opening--the G35 looked pretty small. The salesman said a full staff bag will fit though. Any golfers have an issue with this? I carry my bag a lot due to the job. Even if that fits, doesn't look like much else would.
I want to like the G35 because its styling looks sleeker than the somewhat bloated appearance of the TL. Since I buy a car about every 6 years it would feel good getting something that looked new.
I could use some help on this before trying the golf bag test myself.
#7914 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [goddess_1]
Jan 22, 2007 (5:05 pm)
If I were looking at a MB280 and wanted to keep it 8 years, I would wait and get the 08.
The current C class came out in 2001…so 8 years from now in 2015 you’ll still be driving a car that (looks wise) came out 14 years earlier (there’s classic…then there’s dated).
I don’t think the 280 engine has had a major overhaul…but it does deliver 30 more hp; so you may have to deal with first year model issues (but that’s what the warranty is for).
If I were going the S60 route I’d go with a 2 year old certified…you can save a bundle…
#7915 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [louiswei]
Jan 22, 2007 (5:07 pm)
Pat - thanks for focusing!
Fedlawman - you said what this teeny, tiny voice in me was saying, but it was getting drowned out by the clamor of negativity & doubt (my own!) It's exactly what I needed to remind myself of a mistake I made years ago with a similar issue -- I bought a condo I hated that made "good" sense, then regretted it until long after I sold it. For many, there would have been no regrets, but I'm unequivocally my own person(!) who should know by now to listen to my instincts. Even when those instincts are about the size of an amoeba.
So, here's what I'm going to do . . . I'm going for the MB or Volvo from whomever offers me the fairest deal and does so without the schmooze and hi-pressure sales pitch. I'll let you guys know what happens . . . should I (or they) survive the experience.
#7916 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [goddess_1]
Jan 22, 2007 (5:16 pm)
goddess_1, you can be really aggressive for the MB since the new C-class is just around the corner.
#7917 of 16984 Re: g35 trunk storage [ricka1]
Jan 22, 2007 (5:46 pm)
In the sedan you should have no trouble with a golf bag. I had a 2003 G35 sedan and I was able to fit all of my hockey gear in there, and that was 2 full bags (one for goalie gear, one for regular gear), and a set of goalie leg pads, and the all my sticks running thru the pass thru. I now have an 07, and while the nav/6 disc changer takes up a bit more space, I have easily been able to fit one of my sets of gear and have room to spare. It might not fit both sets anymore, but I rarely need them both so it's a non-issue. Golf equipment shouldn't be a problem either.
#7918 of 16984 Re: MB C280 or Volvo S60? [louiswei]
Jan 22, 2007 (6:23 pm)
"how did you go from S420 to a Taurus?"
The Mercedes was a seizure. The Taurus, like 90% of our cars, was a GSA purchase. I don't work the street any more so no more cool seizures for me.
"you said what this teeny, tiny voice in me was saying"
You'll get good advice here, but most people think of a car as an appliance to get from point A to point B. For most people, an Accord or Camry is all the car they'll ever need, so choosing the Lexus or Acura is a no brainer. You, on the other hand, have expressed some feelings about what you want. For you, you deserve a car that makes you feel good.
FWIW, I had a 2001 Volvo V70 wagon (purchased CPO in 2003 with 23,000 miles on the odo). The car was totaled after my wife was struck head-on by a van going 40 MPH. We didn't give it a second thought - replaced it with a new 2004 V70. Luxury package, rear-facing 3rd row jump seats, and 16" alloys where the only add-ons. Smooth ride, quiet interior, luxurious appointments, high quality materials - best minivan I never owned. I'm a very satisfied Volvo owner.