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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jan 17, 2007 (9:45 pm)
Go to a Mercedes dealership and sit in the S class coupes. That's real leather. It's thick, soft, and 100% real. And it feels exactly like a leather couch or a good leather jacket.
The other just is the pressedboard crud - Ford is famous fo this as witnessed by the 4-5 year lifespan of their "Leather" interiors.(when you see it coming apart and you see white backing, that's the stuff that's put together like particle-board. Real leather is solid and if you get a rip in it, it's all the way through the same, like say, ripping a cotton T-shirt.
But the real stuff costs about 800-1200 per car in actual labor and materials - before profit and such is factored in. MOst people don't want to spend $2000-$3000 for real leather these days(though Cadillacs should at least offer the option to those who want it)
#7851 of 16984 Re: Well... [plekto]
Jan 18, 2007 (3:59 am)
Not popular in the US market, but cloth seats have real advantages. They'd been used elsewhere, but I first saw them on Citroen DS21s in France as a child -- what an advanced company that was thirty five or forty years ago! The DS21s looked great on the autoroutes, pneumatic suspension fully lowered, cruising at 80 to 90 mph. France at her best.
In the UK, E90s appear to be sold with cloth, cloth/leather combinations and leather, but no leatherette.
#7852 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [habitat1]
Jan 18, 2007 (6:11 am)
Let's look at those JD scores, or perhaps not such a great idea since Cadillac ranks way above in the trophy. So which car is made with crap now !!!!
#7854 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [rockylee]
Jan 18, 2007 (10:47 pm)
I want to rephrase myself. I understand what you are saying but their is more to a ELLPS than just driving dynamics. IMHO that's all that BMW knows how to do very well and they sell many for that reason along with people seeking to buy for the badge. I however think theirs much more to car than strictly handling performance. Honestly how many people are going to take their BMW's to the track and use all that handling performance ???? Are you going to race louiswei, around a track in his IS350 ????? I personaly would rather enjoy the creature comforts of a IS350 that has 90-95% of the 335i's performance every day than have a car that is a great performance machine but does nothing else better than the competition let alone better than the gadget filled IS 350.
If you want a performance machine their are better alternatives on the market which are cheaper to own and operate. A couple off the top of my head is the STI and EVO if you wanted to stick with a sedan. The next EVO, like I said is IMHO a ELLPS even though this board and host doesn't recognize it as such because it's not a luxury brand and that's okay. I personally think the best ELLPS on the market with price not being a factor is the Lexus IS 350. Obviously, that will change come this summer with the new 08' Cadillac CTS which should be the best but we won't know for sure until all tests have been validated. #2 should be the IS 350 #3 is a toss up between the 335i or G35 based on if no chages are made. I know the car mags don't agree with me because they are gear heads but I'm factoring everyday use as a daily driver and can't knock louiswei's decision one bit for wanting to own the best ELLPS on the market IMHO.
#7855 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [rockylee]
Jan 19, 2007 (6:04 am)
Hey Rocky, leave me outta this okay...
#7856 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [rockylee]
Jan 19, 2007 (7:45 am)
Do you derive any pleasure from driving? I do. I look forward to driving. It's not a chore. It's not a have-to. It's a desire, a longing, almost an addiction. Coupled with that need is a strange desire to always draw the perfect line on a corner. It could be a simple 90 degree turn or a banked 270 degree corner that I take daily. The line, carrying speed through it, transitioning the weight just right, nose pointing in the perfect place for exit. I get ultimate glee from the "perfect corner" or taking a series of Esses just right.
Unfortunately, lifestyle demands a 4 door with room at least a little room. I demand xenon headlights, leather and some sense that the car i'm in wasn't built for someone working at target (Subaru, Mitsubishi) That's why I drive a BMW. The only other guys who come close are Mazda - not the Mazdaspeed6. VW is a distant third.
Everyday, I drive my car. how it handles is of the utmost importance. You seem to prefer passively piloting. to each his own. Most people drive like they're dead; if I drove like them I might as well have a banal auto-equipped 03 Camry 4 cylinder then.
#7857 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [blueguydotcom]
Jan 19, 2007 (8:05 am)
Great explanation of enthusiasm in daily driving. No need to push the absolute limits of the car but enjoying the experience and the skill to do it well (a little like golf; you're really competing with yourself).
I enjoyed the 2 BMW coupes I've had but practicality dictates a 4 door (2007 Acura TL-S) and FWD for Northeast winters (though this year has been an exception).
Using enjoyment and enthusiastic (but not dangerous) driving as an evaluation mechanism allows for a lot of individual choice in ELLPS (among the agreed brands). Many of the cars would be good choices but personal preferences, price, etc., make the equation different for everyone.
Enjoy your daily drives; I certainly do.
#7858 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [blueguydotcom]
Jan 19, 2007 (9:08 am)
I almost became breathless reading that! Very passionate. What do you think about BMW bringing the 1-Series here? It is smaller than the 3 and even more fun to drive then the 3-Series according to most of the European press.
#7859 of 16984 Re: Perhaps "The Standard of the World" for ELLPS ??? [merc1]
Jan 19, 2007 (9:18 am)
Very interested. 300 hp turbo, easily tuned to 350 or more, 3000 lbs...so much potential.