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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7686 of 16984 Re: BMWs are over-rated [habitat1]
Jan 07, 2007 (11:36 pm)
"I had a 2004 TL 6-spd also. Liked the TL's engine, chunky gearbox action and great stereo; disliked the on/off switch clutch, uncommunicative steering which loaded up heavily and asymmetrically, it's tendency to wander around if not watched constantly, it's flatspotting std EL42s"
It just goes to show you that everyone can have different impressions and opinions of the same car. On your positives, I agree with you on the gearbox and free revving engine. I am not that impressed with the stereo. Seems like it is clarity and power challenged.
I used to have a 1998 A4 and bought a 2005 TL (auto, unfortunately - wife doesn't like stick).
I agree with a few of the posts. The TL has been more reliable than the A4 as of 36K miles. Pros/cons:
- TL very reliable
- No rattles initially, some started around 25K
- Standard Michelin tires are fine, I probably have about 5-10K more on them
- Stereo IMHO is overrated. I had Bose in the Audi.
- Ride is pleasantly firm but wallows in turns when bumps are present. Steering not precise enough.
- Bluetooth wasn't a big consideration, has turned into a fantastic plus
- Nav system is another big plus
- Handling not comparable to the Audi. I feel I'm driving in more of a luxo-cruiser than a sport sedan.
In summary, while I like the car it doesn't inspire a lot of passion. I'm going to keep it for probably 100K and then move to a sportier sedan with a manual.
#7688 of 16984 Re: BMWs are over-rated [habitat1]
Jan 08, 2007 (3:21 am)
I do wonder why you took a "soaking" to get rid of your 2004 TL.
Not that much of a soaking -- a trade but in that ballpark. Resale is good on the TL, but any trade after 18 - 24 mos is hardly a winner though.
Mine is a 325i. The TL has considerably more power, but that differential was addressed somewhat when the revised SEA criteria forced the TL down from 270 to 258 (while it bumped the Corvette up -- here's to the wounded heart of good old Chevrolet!).
#7689 of 16984 The ELLPS Benchmark as y'all have now seen has arrived !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 08, 2007 (3:28 am)
The 2008' Cadillac CTS............I'm not trying to stir the pot but would like to here from a generally anti-gm crowds response to it is all ?????
#7690 of 16984 Re: Another Ho-Hum Caddy has arrived?
Jan 08, 2007 (4:27 am)
I'm not trying to stir the pot either.
#7691 of 16984 Re: For All You Lexus IS350 Fans [nyccarguy]
Jan 08, 2007 (4:42 am)
Even Lexus knows their IS is only good for Straight Line performance.
I don't think that statement is entirely true.
Lexus knows their IS is VERY good at straight line performance and ALSO good at other areas. By the way, R&T's editors apparently agree when they rank IS ahead of G35S and TL-S in both steering and handling.
#7692 of 16984 Re: For All You Lexus IS350 Fans [louiswei]
Jan 08, 2007 (4:45 am)
By the way, R&T's editors apparently agree when they rank IS ahead of G35S and TL-S in both steering and handling.
I'm still in shock over that one considering Road and Track's usual preferences. I see the IS350 put up better slalom numbers than the G35, as did the TL-S. Interesting indeed.
I do like the IS350, but this IS-F is just plain ugly IMO.
The new CTS on the other hand looks pretty good.
#7693 of 16984 Re: The ELLPS Benchmark as y'all have now seen has arrived !!!!!!!!!!!!!! [rockylee]
Jan 08, 2007 (4:51 am)
I'll bite - I think that front end style is ostentatious at best hideous at worst. Did all of GM designers flunk out of Mattel Toys school of design? From the front end, I expect the driver of such a car to be a "Rock em Sock em" Robot.
I thought Bangel took the 5 series in the wrong direction a few years ago. But it looks like a flowing work of art compared to the CTS. The CTS front end has all the elegance of a snow plow. I'll ask back - do Cadillac purchasers need to be reminded every time they look at their car of their own "Blockhead" image?
#7694 of 16984 Re: The ELLPS Benchmark as y'all have now seen has arrived !!!!!!!!!!!!!! [habitat1]
Jan 08, 2007 (5:20 am)
I have to agree, the CTS has to be one of the fugliest cars on the road. I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole, no matter what kind of numbers it puts up.
#7695 of 16984 Re: The ELLPS Benchmark as y'all have now seen has arrived !!!!!!!!!!!!!! [dafreak1]
Jan 08, 2007 (5:58 am)
How do you really feel about the CTS?