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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7511 of 16984 Don't see the point in buying FWD
Jan 03, 2007 (2:35 pm)
Have to dispute your comments about iffy performance and traction in FWD. I've owned two BMW 328Ci's (1997 & 2000 - with sport and luxury pkgs.) then switched to an Acura CL Type S in 2003 and just bought a 2007 TL Type S. RWD can be marginally better at the limit (which is less than 1% of my driving and likely similar for others). In the NE, snow tires and wheels ($1000+) are essential for winter traction. My CL with all season tires never gave me any concerns; unlike my BMWs, which would either go sideways or at 1 mph with traction control (with summer tires). So for me the performance difference (advantage BMW and Infiniti - drove both recently) doesn't outweigh other factors. As for cost, comparably equipped the 335 is $10-12k more than I paid and the G would be $3-5k more. In addition, the materials in the TL are one or two notches better than either and the reliability is bullet-proof. Absolute performance is overrated unless you're using it a lot of the time. Excellent performance, reliability and all the other toys can be had for less. Different strokes.
#7512 of 16984 I just have a little while longer.........
Jan 03, 2007 (2:57 pm)
I just have a little while longer until I can go test drive the 2008' Cadillac CTS and join in all the fun and debate which car is best between the 335i vs. 08' CTS vs. G35 vs. TL vs. ? Oops that's about all that's seriously being talked about at this momment. I'm glad this forum went from praise the BMW 335i to having some good car debates about others in the ELLPS segment vs. 335i
#7513 of 16984 Re: I'd buy an Audi [bds92]
Jan 03, 2007 (3:07 pm)
"Think me crazy. But I just don't see the point in buying FWD, an iffy performer and an iffy tractioneer, or messy iDrive."
Ummm, you do know that the E90 3-Series can be had with or without the iDrive system don't you? As such, there's no reason to eliminate the 3er from your list just because of iDrive.
#7514 of 16984 Re: I just have a little while longer......... [rockylee]
Jan 03, 2007 (3:30 pm)
Have I lately said how much I *just love* the 335i? The '08 Caddy will have a long way to go to beat or even meet the 3 series. It'll be the same as last time. More hoopla than substance.
#7515 of 16984 Re: I'd buy an Audi [shipo]
Jan 03, 2007 (3:31 pm)
Might as well eliminate the 3 series because of the cupholders.
#7516 of 16984 Re: I'd buy an Audi [kdshapiro]
Jan 03, 2007 (3:39 pm)
"Might as well eliminate the 3 series because of the cup holders."
That's funny. Why? Well, it was only a few weeks before I turned my 530i in at lease end that I found out that it even had cup holders (spindly and ridiculous though they were). When I go MiniVan shopping with Mrs. Shipo, I look for cup holders, when I go car shopping with myself, it would never even occur to me to look.
#7517 of 16984 Re: Seat of the pants decision. [jtla]
Jan 03, 2007 (3:50 pm)
I tested manual and automatic cars. To get the stick shift, you have to settle for the the uncomfortable seats. It may be that you could choose those seats with an automatic too, but comfortable seats are not available with the stick shift.
#7518 of 16984 Re: I'd buy an Audi [bds92]
Jan 03, 2007 (4:02 pm)
"Silly me, I overlooked the IS 250 AWD. Which, to be quite honest, is too slow."
Wow, coming from somebody who is considering a A4 3.2 AWD, that is really an insult. I have been given such an A4 on 2-3 occasions when my car was in for service. Haven't tried the 6-speed manual, but the automatic is a pig in terms of acceleration. And a thirsty one at that - I averaged barely 16 mpg in 250 miles of mixed driving.
#7519 of 16984 Re: Don't see the point in buying FWD [pv2]
Jan 03, 2007 (4:39 pm)
I'll second your choice of the TL. Some of us have those little people running around our houses that kinda look like us, and $43K for a car is pushing it. The TL is feature loaded, offers pretty damn good performance, safety, resale value, electronic gadgets, reliability, and best of all, is priced around $32K for an 07 model.
I'll take some of that $10K savings and invest in a really nice shotgun to blow my brains out someday when the going gets tough....or better yet pay down the equity line and invest for little ones' education so they, too, can one day blog about meaningless minutia.
#7520 of 16984 Re: I'd buy an Audi [bds92]
Jan 03, 2007 (4:46 pm)
compared to the weakling Infiniti AWD system
Have you driven the Infiniti in deep snow, hard pack snow up a hill around corners at speed? If you had you wouldn't make such a foolish statement. The Nissan ATTESA AWD on the Infiniti is rock solid and has a long backround on their legendary super car R33 Skyline GT-R. It works like this: A 16bit microprocessor monitors the cars movements at 100 times per second to sense traction loss. Three G-Sensors mounted underneath the center console feed lateral and longtitudinal inputs into an ECU. The ECU can then direct up to and including 50% of the power to the front wheels. When slip is detected on a wheel, the system directs the torque away from that wheel to one that has traction. Torque is apportioned using a clutch pack center differential, similar to the type employed in the Steyr-Daimler-Puch system in the Porsche 959. This series of clutch packs is contained within the 'transfer case,' which is mounted to the rear of the gearbox.
Rather than locking the AWD in all the time or having a system that is "all or nothing", the ATTESA E-TS system can apportion different ratios of torque to different wheels as it sees fit. This provides the driver with an AWD vehicle that performs like a rear wheel drive vehicle in perfect conditions and can recover control when conditions aren't as perfect.
Wow that sounds quite inferior...