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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7180 of 16984 Re: Flustered [esf]
Dec 14, 2006 (2:54 pm)
"but is it okay for a daily driver?"
Better than I expected. I've logged 11,600 miles in 15 months compared to only 2,800 in my 2004 Acura TL. When I had the S2000, my split between it and a 1995 Maxima was more like 50/50. The only time I don't drive my 911 is when I need to cart 2+ adult passengers or I head north in the winter.
"I'd probably get a CS convertible ...for under $100K- which is so unlikely. I might have to live with a normal CC. There's only a 0.2 second difference in 0-60, after all, with a $10,000 difference in price! Only Porsche could get away with such ridiculous pricing!"
I did much better than that for a new 2005, and could still come in under $100k for 2007. The $10k difference between the base and "S" gets you about $4,500 worth of options on your list (xenon, 19" PASM) not to mention bigger brakes, etc. But you are right, Porsche option pricing can be a little ridiculous. Regarding that "0.2 second difference", it is understated by Porsche. Motor Trend tested the 911S Coupe at 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. That's not far off from the former 996 Turbo.
"The XKR is also a much better value- beautiful to look at, and has an extra 95hp (compared to the Carrera)"
Don't get me wrong, the XKR is a nice car. But that "extra 95 horsepower" doesn't come close to equating to the same performance. The 911S is as quick as and handles much better than a 500 hp BMW M6, let alone the XKR. And at least the M6 comes with a 6-speed manual. I find it difficult to have much fun with a slushbox, even around town.
Sounds like you'll need to set some time aside for serious test drives before you buy. In the meantime, good luck on the sedan hunting. I may be selling my TL and un-retiring my old Maxima, given how little I am using the TL.
#7181 of 16984 Re: Flustered [habitat1]
Dec 14, 2006 (8:54 pm)
All very interesting advice.
I had no idea the CS was standard with xenons. Are you sure?
I actually just stumbled upon a video that spies the updated version:
The engine is simply the sweetest-sounding in this world. Perhaps they'll add a little more power and not increase the price much for 2008?
Speaking of 2008- my new car was just pushed back about a year... that is, if what I think will happen, happens: we may buy a new house in January and move into it in March-April-ish. It is quite a large sum of money, this house, and not only will the wife's A8 be postponed until 2008, but I might have to stick with my S4 a little while longer. Not such a horrible fate, after all.
I do agree with you on the XKR. If I want a luxury car, I'm getting a CL550. If I want a sports car, I'm getting a 911. Case closed.
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
#7182 of 16984 Last time I checked...
Dec 15, 2006 (4:49 am)
Neither the XKR, CL550, nor the 911 is an entry-level Luxury Performance sedan.
#7183 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [louiswei]
Dec 15, 2006 (10:32 am)
But wouldn't it be great if they were priced like one!
#7184 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [laurasdada]
Dec 15, 2006 (10:37 am)
Definitely. It'll be even better if the ELLPS can be priced like a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.
#7185 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [louiswei]
Dec 15, 2006 (1:56 pm)
I may be old, but not so old to remember how pleased I was to be able to afford a new Civic Hatchback in 1982 ($5,900 IIRC) And I thought it offered a lot of "luxury" and "performance" compared to my 1978 Datsun B210 ($4,200 exactly). While I'm not advocating relabeling this forum, it does seem odd that 25-30 years later, we are labeling $40,000 as "entry level".
So I guess in 25 years, an entry level luxury perfromance sedan will run about $280,000? I guess I shouldn't have turned down that Goldman Sachs job out of B-School back in 1981.
#7186 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [habitat1]
Dec 15, 2006 (2:41 pm)
I guess you shouldnt have- you would have been a part of that huge bonus pool this year.
Hab- I am shopping around for a S2000 (just for a summer weekend car) and I cant seem to find one under 5k. The 2001 are still running in the low to high teens.I also saw a crashed one (not too bad) and the guy wanted over 10k for the car.I guess I will have to start looking maybe at a Mazda Miata.
Dec 18, 2006 (5:00 pm)
Boy the interior is definitely light years ahead of the current model. The massive front grille and headlight looks pretty good too. If the handling is up to G35's standard (3er's might be a stretch) then I'll say this is definitely a winner. Oh BTW, that's given if Caddy doesn't jack up the price too much.
Hey Rocky, for once, you might be right about this one...
#7188 of 16984 Re: Introduction [cybersol]
Dec 18, 2006 (5:10 pm)
This is so true!
#7189 of 16984 Re: 2008 CTS [louiswei]
Dec 18, 2006 (5:57 pm)
I've seen this one and several other spy photo's around the net. I actually watched that 60 minutes video several months back. The 08' looks very promising indeed and is confirmed to have a Direct-Injection VVT version of the 3.6 "High Feature" V-6 for the regular CTS. If this car gets the "Gadgetology" then we might have another contender in the entry-lux crowd.