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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#7177 of 16984 Re: Flustered [esf]
Dec 13, 2006 (8:13 am)
"My S4 replacement, which I won't be getting for a while (Spring 2009 probably), will be a 911 if all goes according to plan. My second and third choices would be the XKR convertible and the new CL550 with the AMG package."
Not to get off topic, but if you like to drive, I sure hope for your sake, "all goes according to plan". If I couldn't have swung my 911S Cab last year, I would have gotten another $32k Honda S2000 over either your second or third choices. IMO, they are nice luxury GT's, but both about a half ton or more overweight and hardly something that anyone with a pulse would label as "fun to drive". After you mash the slushbox attached gas pedal at a stop light a few times or fallen asleep to the stereo with cruise control on, you've experienced pretty much all they have to offer in driving pleasure. But at least you didn't list the Buick - er Lexus - SC430 as a fourth choice.
Good luck on your "plan", I'll be rooting for you. Or maybe I should be rootng for you to be on a tight budget? The Mercedes is more than the 911 and the Jaguar about the same, but given it's depreciation, will hit you twice as hard.
#7178 of 16984 Re: Flustered [habitat1]
Dec 13, 2006 (8:54 pm)
I love the 911 with all my heart. It's the best sports car in the world IMHO, and I've always wanted to have one.
It's beautiful, fast and drives like a dream.
But- I've been concerned whether or not I could handle it as a daily driver.
Being a former S2000 owner (a hardcore sports car), I don't know if I'd trust your opinion completely- but is it okay for a daily driver? I'd probably get a CS convertible if I could get a navi, 19" rims, xenons, power/full leather interior, Bose stereo and six-disc CD for under $100K- which is so unlikely. I might have to live with a normal CC. There's only a 0.2 second difference in 0-60, after all, with a $10,000 difference in price! Only Porsche could get away with such ridiculous pricing!
Keep in mind, I have a comfortable, fast, super-smooth, relatively isolated S4 Cabriolet. And I love it. I don't want a drastic change, which lead me to think about the XKR if I wouldn't be able to live with a 911. The XKR is also a much better value- beautiful to look at, and has an extra 95hp (compared to the Carrera) for the same price.
nyccarguy, I live in Chicago. Well, a suburb. We had our first winter scare a few weeks ago. More than half a foot- not a ton around here, but oddly they gave my son a snow day!
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
#7179 of 16984 Re: Flustered [esf]
Dec 13, 2006 (9:58 pm)
"...I live in Chicago. Well, a suburb."
Interesting, I lived in the Chicago metro area (Belmont Harbor, Hoffman Estates and Lisle) from 1979 to 1992, and I now live in southern New Hampshire. Winter time driving around here is far more challenging than it ever was in Chicago what with the roads around here being VERY hilly and curvy. On my street alone (a half mile long cul-de-sac) there are two hills that are officially 7.5% grades and my driveway is more like 9%. That said, you couldn't pay me to buy an AWD car when a RWD variant of the same vehicle is available. For my money I much rather prefer buying a car with a very good suspension and three season tires (well, that's a stretch as I run winter tires around here from October or November through March or April, even May one year) and then buying a separate set of winter wheels and tires. On my RWD 530i, the winter tires provided more than enough grip to propel my car through snow that was deep enough to turn my car into a snow plow, even with the hills.
#7180 of 16984 Re: Flustered [esf]
Dec 14, 2006 (2:54 pm)
"but is it okay for a daily driver?"
Better than I expected. I've logged 11,600 miles in 15 months compared to only 2,800 in my 2004 Acura TL. When I had the S2000, my split between it and a 1995 Maxima was more like 50/50. The only time I don't drive my 911 is when I need to cart 2+ adult passengers or I head north in the winter.
"I'd probably get a CS convertible ...for under $100K- which is so unlikely. I might have to live with a normal CC. There's only a 0.2 second difference in 0-60, after all, with a $10,000 difference in price! Only Porsche could get away with such ridiculous pricing!"
I did much better than that for a new 2005, and could still come in under $100k for 2007. The $10k difference between the base and "S" gets you about $4,500 worth of options on your list (xenon, 19" PASM) not to mention bigger brakes, etc. But you are right, Porsche option pricing can be a little ridiculous. Regarding that "0.2 second difference", it is understated by Porsche. Motor Trend tested the 911S Coupe at 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. That's not far off from the former 996 Turbo.
"The XKR is also a much better value- beautiful to look at, and has an extra 95hp (compared to the Carrera)"
Don't get me wrong, the XKR is a nice car. But that "extra 95 horsepower" doesn't come close to equating to the same performance. The 911S is as quick as and handles much better than a 500 hp BMW M6, let alone the XKR. And at least the M6 comes with a 6-speed manual. I find it difficult to have much fun with a slushbox, even around town.
Sounds like you'll need to set some time aside for serious test drives before you buy. In the meantime, good luck on the sedan hunting. I may be selling my TL and un-retiring my old Maxima, given how little I am using the TL.
#7181 of 16984 Re: Flustered [habitat1]
Dec 14, 2006 (8:54 pm)
All very interesting advice.
I had no idea the CS was standard with xenons. Are you sure?
I actually just stumbled upon a video that spies the updated version:
The engine is simply the sweetest-sounding in this world. Perhaps they'll add a little more power and not increase the price much for 2008?
Speaking of 2008- my new car was just pushed back about a year... that is, if what I think will happen, happens: we may buy a new house in January and move into it in March-April-ish. It is quite a large sum of money, this house, and not only will the wife's A8 be postponed until 2008, but I might have to stick with my S4 a little while longer. Not such a horrible fate, after all.
I do agree with you on the XKR. If I want a luxury car, I'm getting a CL550. If I want a sports car, I'm getting a 911. Case closed.
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
#7182 of 16984 Last time I checked...
Dec 15, 2006 (4:49 am)
Neither the XKR, CL550, nor the 911 is an entry-level Luxury Performance sedan.
#7183 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [louiswei]
Dec 15, 2006 (10:32 am)
But wouldn't it be great if they were priced like one!
#7184 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [laurasdada]
Dec 15, 2006 (10:37 am)
Definitely. It'll be even better if the ELLPS can be priced like a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.
#7185 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [louiswei]
Dec 15, 2006 (1:56 pm)
I may be old, but not so old to remember how pleased I was to be able to afford a new Civic Hatchback in 1982 ($5,900 IIRC) And I thought it offered a lot of "luxury" and "performance" compared to my 1978 Datsun B210 ($4,200 exactly). While I'm not advocating relabeling this forum, it does seem odd that 25-30 years later, we are labeling $40,000 as "entry level".
So I guess in 25 years, an entry level luxury perfromance sedan will run about $280,000? I guess I shouldn't have turned down that Goldman Sachs job out of B-School back in 1981.
#7186 of 16984 Re: Last time I checked... [habitat1]
Dec 15, 2006 (2:41 pm)
I guess you shouldnt have- you would have been a part of that huge bonus pool this year.
Hab- I am shopping around for a S2000 (just for a summer weekend car) and I cant seem to find one under 5k. The 2001 are still running in the low to high teens.I also saw a crashed one (not too bad) and the guy wanted over 10k for the car.I guess I will have to start looking maybe at a Mazda Miata.