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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Nov 28, 2006 (11:06 am)
5.7 seconds isn't "slow". A decade ago, Porsches were doing barely any better, and last I checked, it's alot better than the domestics.
Really - it used to be "It's crap if it's not 6 seconds" now it's 5 seconds? Last I checked humans haven't evolved in the last 10-20 years. 5.7 seconds... Most people would consider it as "really fast".
Oh - and it's not a test-track only result. I've driven it and it'll go just as fast at about any speed thanks to its agressive gearbox. It's fast off the line and in the twisties as well. Your Camry isn't even in the rear view mirror anymore after a couple of miles. And AWD is a nice plus in bad weather. Oh - it's REAL AWD, btw - simmilar to Subaru and Audi. Full-time and not part-time. Makes a huge impact in how it handles, which is why it's an A6 competitor. For handling, it's "sporty" and then some. The 4-piston disc brakes back this up. GM - still using 1 or 2 piston calipers for comparison.
P.S. Who cares about the discount? Get one before they redesign/kill it in 2008.
A couple of reviews(wanted a review with manual, so it's U.K. site):
Nov 28, 2006 (11:38 am)
complaint against the S60r is the steering and the gearbox, both of which are locked in a deadly duel of sloppy.
#6804 of 16984 Re: Volvo S60R [blueguydotcom]
Nov 28, 2006 (11:44 am)
Why are they giving the car away?
because shoppers always overlook volvo. Especially shoppers looking for 300 hp AWD 6-speed sedans. you say "S60R" to the regular shmoe on the street and he answers, "what? who?"
Also, for 300 hp, the car is pretty darn slow.
300 hp, AWD, and a mid-size luxo sedan. Let's say it gives up 3/4 of a second to the 335. That's not bad for being bigger and having AWD.
#6805 of 16984 Re: Volvo S60R [qbrozen]
Nov 28, 2006 (12:14 pm)
Can you give your opinion vs. the 335I? I haven't driven either of these yet but interested in the comparo real world by shoppers who care about performance.
Nov 28, 2006 (12:22 pm)
That must be after the $5,000 factory to dealer incentive.
$32,000 is a really good deal on what is undeniably a solid, AWD entry-level luxury performance sedan.
One of the nice things about Volvo's (like BMW's) is the aftermarket support. There are plenty of speed parts (springs, shocks, sway bars, chips, etc.) to make these cars into real wolves in sheep clothing.
Good find Plekto!
#6809 of 16984 Re: Audi Buy/Lease OR Saab [jinger]
Nov 28, 2006 (12:47 pm)
Here are my opinions...
1. I wouldn't touch the Saab because you are pretty much buying a GM car. However, if you like GM then that's another story.
2. If you are going with the A4, my suggestion is that get the 3.0 instead of 2.0T. The 4 cylinder turbo is way underpower in my point of view.
3. If there are no major changes between the 07' and 06' I don't see why not to take the advantage of the year end deal.
4. I personally would purchase instead of lease. Don't ask me why but that's just me.
#6810 of 16984 Re: Audi Buy/Lease OR Saab [jinger]
Nov 28, 2006 (1:02 pm)
I'd usually avoid a lease as well, but in this case, I'd consider it, especially if you can stay within the mileage limits.
Why? Because it's an Audi, a nameplate that's been near the bottom of quality surveys for a few years now. They've been almost legendary in their terrible reliability, so much that I personally wouldn't risk buying one outright. Who knows? You may have better luck...
The Saab? Not much better reliability-wise, but a friend of the family is driving his third Saab, and has had NO problems with any of them (he still has two of them and the third went to his son in college). The 9-3 isn't bad, especially for the price.
Are they all on equal footing with you? Does one stand out in YOUR eyes? Remember, you'll be the one driving it...
Nov 28, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Sorry we get caught up in sometimes gloss over valid questions. I'll give my opinion, remember, just my opinion, it's your money.
The Saab.. you'll probably be able to negotiate the best deal on this guy as far as over all price. Wait, are you leasing, or buying outright?
I think for everyday driving, it's really hard to beat Audi. BMW does some things better, especially if you want to occasionally track the car. Have you driven them all? Most of us are going to chose the one that feels the best behind the wheel.
Ok. I see that you have some buying and leasing options. You then have to ask yourself, do I want to be in a car until it's paid off. There is something to be said for turning the car in at the end of 3 years or so and getting something else. Most "financial minded" people will tell you to buy slightly used, and drive till dead.
My guess is that you'll find the Saab a little "loose" compared to the Audi. Check out the "10 steps to leasing a car" here on Edmunds. Unless you are already familiar about the financial aspects of both that is.
Good luck, and don't be a stranger after you get the car.