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#6733 of 16091 Re: Hey Rocky... [habitat1] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:03 am)

Replying to: habitat1 (Nov 28, 2006 6:27 am)
..I see you are back expressing your deepest feelings and exquisite opinions of cars you've never driven.
 
habitat, honestly how many people in here really have driven cars they write about dude. They claim it but I'm honest and say i haven't. Seriously, think about it. Driving a 330i doesn't qualify one driving a 335i. I can't drive the 07' S80 because it's not out yet. The local BMW dealer doesn't have any 335i's yet to drive yet. He's still trying to sell his 06' left-over 330i's.
 
I have to assume that is the case with the Volvo S80. Because if you had, you would realize that one could put all of the engine upgrades in the world on that car and you still have handling and driving dynamics that are at the bottom of the class.
 
Read above post !!!!
 
At least the "performance" class that you are trying to put it in. If you just want to save money, I'll sell you my 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed with 154k miles for $4,000 and you will have a car that is more fun to drive than a 2007 Volvo S80. Anyone that drives a Volvo S80 and comes away with an excited feeling needs to bottle that and sell it to the pharmaceutical industry.
 
I guess we all have different opinions on what performance should be. Is a Audi A8 a performance car ? I see many people blab about cars that they claim are performance cars in here. So I assumed the S80 with its 315 hp and 4-C's chassis would qualify it as a performance sedan ?
 
It's fine by me that you don't feel the need to have your "butt in a designer label suit" to feel well dressed. But you really need to get that butt in the cars you opine on if you expect to have any credibility. Your practice of reading magazines and polling friends and family to form your own opinions is a sad commentary.
 
I guess I could lie like many others in this forum and say I driven this car, and that car, and BS the forum.
 
Please.....
 
Rocky

#6734 of 16091 Re: Hey Rocky... [kdshapiro] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:07 am)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 28, 2006 6:31 am)
I was being sarcastic about the Audi interior you guys love so much. It has so much wax polish on it looks fake.
 
Audi, IMHO hasn't had a great interior since the old A200's.
 
Rocky

#6735 of 16091 Re: kdshapiro [rockylee] by louiswei

Nov 28, 2006 (7:07 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Nov 28, 2006 6:52 am)
#1 All I said was I thought the Volvo S80, was a worthy luxury car alternative when compared to the likes of the LS, A8, and I got slammned for it.
 
You got slammed for it because you were comaring apples to oranges like always. Nobody would slam you if you compare the S80 to something like the M and GS.
 
....#2 I can afford much more than a Azera.
 
Good for you, so let's drop the Azera. You were the one who brought it up.
 
#3 I'm just defending S80, and MKZ, from getting steam-rolled in this forum. A guy buys a MKZ, and likes it and then gets hammered for liking it better than a 335i.
 
It's fine that people buy MKZ over the bimmer because they like it better. However, that doesn't mean the MKZ is better in performance nor luxury than the 3er. Also, just because they are roughly in the same price range doesn't mean that the MKZ belongs in this segment. Those people got hammered because like you, they are comparing apples to oranges not because they like the MKZ better.
 
A CTS-V will spank the 335i and current M3 in a race, so what !!!!
 
What race? A drag race? Wanna put these 3 in Nuburing for a couple laps and see which one comes out as the winner?
 
We like what we like but saying a S80, isn't in the same league as the Audi A8 is ludacris IMHO.
 
Rock, in your instinct, please tell us what percentage of people whom shop for a LS, A8, 7er and S-class will consinder the S80 as an alternative? Your answer will indicate how much you know about the upper end auto market.

#6736 of 16091 Re: Hey Rocky... [circlew] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:10 am)

Replying to: circlew (Nov 28, 2006 6:42 am)
You must be a VIP or something right ? I didn't know 07' S80's which we are comparing the A8 to was available. speaking on that subject i thought the new 07' Audi A8 wasn't out yet either. Aazing you guys get to drive cars that aren't even out yet !!!!
 
Rocky

#6737 of 16091 Re: What really bugs me is that... [louiswei] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:17 am)

Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2006 6:51 am)
Okay, those are your opinions. The IS350, is indeed a nice car for you, but for me I wouldn't or wouldn't want members of family to sit in the backseat with their knees around their ears. I guess luxury wise it has alot of features.
 
I also know many folks that buy cars without spending any butt time in the seat before purchase. I did this with my former Acura TL.
 
Rocky

#6738 of 16091 Re: What really bugs me is that... [rockylee] by louiswei

Nov 28, 2006 (7:20 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Nov 28, 2006 7:17 am)
My point exactly. I get the best car for ME and you get the best car for YOU base on test drives and own experience but not from magazines and polling family/friends.

#6739 of 16091 Re: kdshapiro [louiswei] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:29 am)

Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2006 7:07 am)
You got slammed for it because you were comaring apples to oranges like always. Nobody would slam you if you compare the S80 to something like the M and GS.
 
Whatever....I think its more of a apples to apples comparo using the S80 vs. A8 vs. LS comparo. The Q is more worthy than the M in a comparo. The GS, is more sport than luxury in my eyes.
 
What race? A drag race? Wanna put these 3 in Nuburing for a couple laps and see which one comes out as the winner?
 
2008' CTS-V vs. 08' M3 vs. 08' 335i - Would love the oppertunity. I can already predict the winner quite easily.
 
Rock, in your instinct, please tell us what percentage of people whom shop for a LS, A8, 7er and S-class will consinder the S80 as an alternative? Your answer will indicate how much you know about the upper end auto market.
 
My instinct is the Lexus LS, will certainly get cross shopped by a unbiased consumer with the S80. Audi A8, I'd guess 30-40% because both are AWD. The 7er would be 5-10% S-class 20-25% if the consumer wanted AWD.
 
Rocky
 

#6740 of 16091 Re: What really bugs me is that... [louiswei] by rockylee

Nov 28, 2006 (7:30 am)

Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2006 7:20 am)
louiswei,
 
So are you going to claim to have driven every car we've talked about also ?
 
Rocky

#6741 of 16091 Re: What really bugs me is that... [rockylee] by louiswei

Nov 28, 2006 (7:40 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Nov 28, 2006 7:30 am)
I've driven the 330i, G35, IS350/250, TL, S60, Saab 9-3. Trust me, the Volvo and Saab is no where near the Bimmer in handling. They can't out-turn and bimmer, can't out-run the Lexus and Infiniti and can't out-gadget the TL. That's why I stated that they DON'T belong.
 
However, don't get me wrong here. When I say that the S80 doesn't belong in the same category as the A8 and LS I mean it doesn't belong because of the luxury factor. Can it out-run the A8 and LS? Maybe, but definitely not in straight line performance.

#6742 of 16091 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [rockylee] by kdshapiro

Nov 28, 2006 (7:44 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Nov 28, 2006 6:37 am)
When an individual can afford an A8 and wants to buy an A8, why would they settle for an MKZ? If an individual can afford an MKZ and wants and MKZ that is a perfect match.
 
But it seems to me you don't see the value of an A8. That's fine, but there are those who do.

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