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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6718 of 16984 Re: Volvo S80 IBack Seats [ggesq]
Nov 28, 2006 (3:26 am)
Well in yours and a few others minds perhaps. The comparo of pics further proves to me the 2007' Volvo S80 might just be the best luxury car money can buy. The others might do this or that better but to me even if I had $80 or $90K to just blow on any car in the segment I'd still pick the S80. I'd get more car for my money, and wouldn't have to drive a car with a "eyesore" interior. I was kinda surprised you guys didn't throw in the LS 460. I suppose you didn't want make the A8 look that bad ? What's up with Audi anyways ? Whats that BMW i-drive BS gadget I see on the center console ? I see Mercedes using a similar device in the new S-class. I would assume after all the complaints about those devices the car manufactors would of scraped that idea. What's wrong with voice recognition, or pushing a button ?
#6719 of 16984 Re: ... [plekto]
Nov 28, 2006 (3:33 am)
Well, I was pointing out that the Mercedes and BMWs are overpriced for what you get. When you can get a vastly bigger and better optioned out competitor for less money, well, the name-brand factor starts to wear a bit thin.
But for luxury performance undre $30K - something has to give. And I favor luxury over absolute performance if I had to choose which to go for.
Plekto, I agree with you....BMW's, Mercedes, and Audi's are like going to the mall and paying "Sean John" prices at Dillards or Marshall Fields, when Levi's will fit the bill at Meijer's at 50-75% of the cost. So childish IMHO.
I guess some couldn't be seen walking out of anything but a yuppie store with the so called "best".
#6720 of 16984 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [flash11]
Nov 28, 2006 (3:34 am)
Resale will kill you in the MKZ...even if it cost you a few thousand more to upgrade to the 335, you need to do your homework because at the end of your US ride, you will be out the cash you thought you saved. Happens evertime with US made. Reality bites...from the many times bitten.
#6721 of 16984 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [flash11]
Nov 28, 2006 (3:41 am)
Good post flash11, you also can take your savings and if you choose you can beef up the 3.5 with aftermarket performance upgrades for a fraction of the cost those Bimmer drivers spent. they might beat you in resale, but they better have opted for the extended warranty because those bimmers aren't cheap later on in life where your MKZ, won't be expensive to repair and maintain. So let em' talk resale, but you I both know once the BMW's get a certain age they will try to sell it ASAP to avoid maintence and repair costs.
#6722 of 16984 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [blueguydotcom]
Nov 28, 2006 (3:48 am)
I paid under 36k for my 2006 330i. The 07 335i sedan is only $1800 more so sub 38k pricing for performance on par with an e46 M3 sounds like an insane deal.
As for resale and cost to operate, the BMW is a tough nut to crack. Check out the 3 year true cost to own for the lincoln v. BMW 3 series. Look at that depreciation on the lincoln! :O
Sure if you want PLEATHER, and no comfort conviences !!!!
How many people are going to buy just a basic 335i ???? sounds like a waste to me....To get one half-way nice you need to spend $45K
#6723 of 16984 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [circlew]
Nov 28, 2006 (4:00 am)
Well that depends alot on how long he decides to keep it. If he's going to drive a car for a couple of years perhaps you are right. If he holds on to it he's definitely better off owning the MKZ.
Is the MKZ going to depreciate $10-$15K faster over the # of years he owns the car ?
($29-$38K MKZ vs. $38-$50K+ 335i) Since we don't know the actual market-value of the MKZ or 335i we won't know the truth for a couple of years. We can only assume he's better off owning the 335i in a average lease cycle with the same amount of mileage allowed per yr. However if you factor in cost of ownership if he holds onto it outside of warranty the MKZ, will easily save him money on repair/maintence costs along with a significant lower price paid up front.
#6724 of 16984 Re: My girlfriend has a Volvo S80 [rockylee]
Nov 28, 2006 (5:14 am)
Let's say the MKZ cost him $37K. After 39 months, 36K miles it's worth around $17K residual. That's where you loose. There is no way around it. Unless you sell it private to someone who will give you the 17K.
Only a few very desired US models hold their value. Very few.
2007 Lincoln MKZ, AWD 4 Dr Sedan
Bank Lease A
$661 per month
39,000 Total Miles
Due At Signing
$661 + sales tax and title fees
Includes: First Months Payment
#6725 of 16984 Re: kdshapiro [rockylee]
Nov 28, 2006 (5:18 am)
The reason you got "slammed" is because you're posting like the buying public is stupid and more specifically we are stupid. Comparing an A8 with an Azera, who are you kidding?
In your mind the S80 represents the best thing going. If that were a fact, Volvo would be ruling the world instead of being owned by Ford. The Volvo has it's place, but I think the entire model line is ugly and unbalanced and drives the same way. The S80 has nothing in comparison to the LS, A8 or 7 series. It is not better looking, better handling or has a better interior. It is cheaper in eveyway possible than the luxury class cars you mentioned.
In addition, the 335 will also dust every car in this segment in performance, you cannot do enough after-market upgrades to non-turbo models to make it as fast as a turbo. A little chip in the 335 will make it even faster. You get what you pay for.
If price is your main concern you should not be looking at luxury automobiles as a comparison, because the S80 falls short compared to them in everything. Maybe you should head on over the high end luxury marquees forum and post an A8 is the equivalent of an Azera. See how you can convince these folks that own the automobiles. Maybe an Azera would be the car you are seeking?
#6726 of 16984 BMW 328XI Lease
Nov 28, 2006 (5:23 am)
Here Is the cost of the comparable BMW with x drive. The car cost $7K more up front. Residual is $23K after 39 months. Bottom line difference is $1,000.
2007 BMW 328, ix 4 Dr Sedan
Bank Lease A
$730 per month
39,000 Total Miles
Due At Signing
$730 + sales tax and title fees
Includes: First Months Payment
I would go with this car considering the performance difference with respect to the extra cost and better warrantee coverage.
Nov 28, 2006 (5:27 am)
..I see you are back expressing your deepest feelings and exquisite opinions of cars you've never driven.
I have to assume that is the case with the Volvo S80. Because if you had, you would realize that one could put all of the engine upgrades in the world on that car and you still have handling and driving dynamics that are at the bottom of the class. At least the "performance" class that you are trying to put it in. If you just want to save money, I'll sell you my 1995 Nissan Maxima 5-speed with 154k miles for $4,000 and you will have a car that is more fun to drive than a 2007 Volvo S80. Anyone that drives a Volvo S80 and comes away with an excited feeling needs to bottle that and sell it to the pharmaceutical industry.
It's fine by me that you don't feel the need to have your "butt in a designer label suit" to feel well dressed. But you really need to get that butt in the cars you opine on if you expect to have any credibility. Your practice of reading magazines and polling friends and family to form your own opinions is a sad commentary.