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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6638 of 16984 Re: A few things.. [plekto]
Nov 23, 2006 (12:32 pm)
"The S60 T5, which isn't even their lowest end model is the same price as a Camry V6"
Got what you're saying, but would still buy the Camry over the Volvo in a heartbeat.
"I don't see Mercedes or BMW or Lexus offering those sorts of deals."
You never will.
"original poster wanted a luxury sedan that was sporty and luxurious for under 30K."
The Volvo isn't a luxury sedan, like the Accord V6 fully decked out isn't a luxury sedan. If the op was talking 2007 models only it's a totally different picture.
#6639 of 16984 Re: A few things.. [plekto]
Nov 23, 2006 (12:36 pm)
Since you are a short guy, let me add a little bit of normal to large guy perspective. I am 6-2, with a long torso, meaning that most cars have poor headroom or vision for me. The S60 has has a raked roof and I can't see well out of it. The Lexus, 3 series, and the G35 all have similar headroom or vision problems. The A4, C230 and TL all have more headroom and better vision for me.
I have driven an S60 - extensively - from SF to Tahoe and back under all conditions. It is a good car. It has nice seats and even a usable back seat. But it does not perform like the A4 2.0T or the 3 series or the G or .... It does not handle as well as any of those cars and it is not nearly as nimble and it does not have as much midrange usuable torque passing someone going up Highway 50 at 5000 ft as even my 97 Saab 900SE.
But you can go on about E series and 7 series in the ENTRY performance level thread. And you can go on about poor reliability of A4s (directly contradicted by Consumer Repots) and something you made up about engines bays (the S4 has a 4.2 in it so your claims are really bogus). But the reality is that you probably don't really care about helping out a buyer or fairly discussing ENTRY level luxury perfomance cars. You seem to simply want crow about how great your S60 is. Again, all the cars discussed in this car are good cars. Maybe if you tried driving more than one of them, you might see the light. That is, if you can see over the dash.
Nov 23, 2006 (8:04 pm)
Try one with a manual transmission. Then a whole new world opens up
Nov 23, 2006 (10:51 pm)
Is this in response to my post about the G35? I will eventually try a manual version but given how much I disliked the seating space and position, the manual may end up feeling as awful as the one in the A3/A4/GTI/GLI.
Nov 23, 2006 (11:09 pm)
I mean a 2006 G35 with manual. The new one also is just.. it hits too many of my "funky"(in a bad way) buttons. Kind of like when I first test drove the (new)VW Beetle. Something felt "off" about it and the ergonomics weren't up to par for the money.
Nov 24, 2006 (7:19 am)
I drove the 06 manual G35. While i prefer the ergonomics of that car, the 07 is a better car in most other ways - better materials, smoother engine, better chassis, way less nvh, attractive exterior. Unfortunately, like the e9x BMWS, the 07 G35 feels a little too buttoned-down and less enthusiastic.
#6644 of 16984 Re: A few things.. [edwardsf]
Nov 24, 2006 (5:05 pm)
it does not have as much midrange usuable torque
that just tells me you weren't driving a T5.
#6645 of 16984 Re: A few things.. [kdshapiro]
Nov 24, 2006 (5:09 pm)
Last I looked Volvo or Mazda don't make luxury vehicles
i agree with you about mazda ... but volvo?? If volvo doesn't make luxury cars, then neither does acura, infiniti, or saab. I'd easily put all of those in the same class as volvo. And I'm not saying your wrong. Maybe none of these are luxury cars ... but then we'd have to change the subject of this discussion.
#6647 of 16984 Re: A few things.. [qbrozen]
Nov 25, 2006 (6:19 am)
"i agree with you about mazda ... but volvo??"
Maybe you are right. But, I don't think of Volvo as a luxury car maker, in not the same way as Infiniti or Acura. Infiniti has a high end model, Acura has a high-end model. What is Volvos' high-end model, the S60? It's the same MSRP as a 3 series. And Saab? Even though Saab is on the list as an entry level vehicle, I don't think of them as being manufacturers of luxury automobiles.