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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#6427 of 16984 Re: Car Show [merc1]
Oct 16, 2006 (4:50 am)
"Mercedes' build quality has rebounded tremendously in the last couple of years, but the verdict on reliability is still out or lagging."
So would you recommend the new E320 Bluetec? I have a business associate who will be driving 30,000+ miles per year and asked my advice on something that he can have for 6-7 years (200k+ miles), with decent comfort and luxury, with decent fuel mileage and maintenance. My marketing director has a 2005 E320 CDI which she likes, but it has had more problems in two years than her former E300 Turbodiesel had in four years.
Oct 16, 2006 (8:20 am)
JD Power shows average mechanical quality below average for the '06. My opinion is lease these cars rather than buy so you have coverage for the big ticket problems that could occur.
I always wondered on the high appeal level of some cars yet quality is lacking based on historical trend.
#6429 of 16984 Re: No full size spare option [habitat1]
Oct 16, 2006 (9:06 am)
Thanks habitat1 for providing some insight into the unidirectional tires. However, I am looking at a full size spare (FSS) as a backup / practical option compared to a donut. Granted none of them (FSS or donut) is going to satisfy the unidirectional requirement. But its a much better option than driving at 50 mph for the rest of the trip with a donut. I dont think driving with a un-matched unidirectional FSS for say 300 miles will make any damage to the vehicle. Infact Toyota Camry had a FSS option till 06 model. In 07 its not there. And Camry is no performance or sports car. Seems like the manufacturers are getting rid of it. My 2001 bmw 325xi has FSS standard but now the new 325xi dont even come with any spare.
#6430 of 16984 I solved the spare problem...
Oct 16, 2006 (11:05 am)
Got a Continental Mobility Kit (essentally the same thing as the BMW Mobility Kit in the M Models) and a cell phone. That'll do.
I'll take the chance on a flat over living with the uncomfortable ride and compromised handling of runflats.
#6431 of 16984 Re: No full size spare option [dunde71]
Oct 16, 2006 (12:09 pm)
I can't imagine the FWD Camry ever came with uni-directional or staggered size tires, hence the option of a FSS made sense. My point was that the newer performance RWD sports cars and sport sedans often come with uni-diretional and staggered tires. Run of the mill family sedans generally don't. At some point BMW switched to run flats, which almost nobody is particularly happy with.
As far as running a unidirectional tire "backwards", that is a no-no for both safety concerns and tire wear, from what I've read. A couple of years ago, a friend had his wheels balanced on a 545i and they accidentally interchanged the left and right front tires. He noticed that the car did not steer as precisely and track as straight on the highway, but kept driving on it for about two months (2,500 miles). When he then started noticing loader than usual road noise, he took it back to the dealership, where they realized the mistake. They gave him two new tires, without any prodding by him. Turns out that the wear going "agianst the grain" is considerably greater than going with the grain.
Unidirectional tires often have an arrow on the sidewall showing which direction they are supposed to roll. If you see that arrow and its pointing backwards, you could be headed for trouble.
#6432 of 16984 Re: Replaced my runflats today... [blueguydotcom]
Oct 16, 2006 (5:15 pm)
I can't remember if you said...
What tires did you get (make, model, size, etc.)?
#6433 of 16984 Does a Mazdaspeed6 qualify?
Oct 16, 2006 (6:16 pm)
Entry-Level Luxury Performance Sedans, what does it take to qualify. My wife drives an Audi A4 Quattro; which I think qualifies in this group. I recently purchased a Mazdaspeed6 for my personal use. With the 274 hp intercooled turbo direct injection engine, 6-speed MT,and AWD with limited-slip differential, electronic brake force distribution, dynamic stability control; I think it has the running gear. Is a Bose sound system, automatic climate control, heated seats, keyless ignition and available naviation system enough to qualify it as luxury? Or are there other essential features? When originally introduced, the Mazdspeed6 went for $28K-30K; currently about $23K-25K. Is the price too low? Does the Mazda label have the wrong cachet?
I ask because I have been pondering this question myself. Whatever is said won't change what the car is. I like the way it handles; that is enough for me. Just wondering where a car like this fits in the scheme of things.
#6434 of 16984 Re: Does a Mazdaspeed6 qualify? [waygrabow]
Oct 17, 2006 (3:17 am)
Have a look at the list of cars at the top of the page. I'd say the Mazdaspeed6 belongs more in the Midsize Sedans group.
#6435 of 16984 Re: Does a Mazdaspeed6 qualify? [pat]
Oct 17, 2006 (5:07 am)
That being the case, and although marginally more elitist, I would debate the BMW 3 series, the Audi A4 and the Acura TL from being on the list as well.
The 5 series is what I would call entry level from BMW; A6 and Acura RL as well (although I find most Acura's just warmed-over versions of Hondas with slightly nicer finishes - the RL even looks like a slightly larger Accord)... but like everything, it's a matter of personal opinion.
#6436 of 16984 Re: Does a Mazdaspeed6 qualify? [dandrews1]
Oct 17, 2006 (5:20 am)
I think we have been over this before but once again...
Entry Lux performance sedan: A4, 3-series, C-class, IS, G and TL
Midsize Lux performance sedan: A6, 5-series, E-class, GS, M and RL
(Fullsize) Lux performance sedan: A8, 7-sereis, S-class, LS and Q
I would put the Mazdaspeed6 and Passat in the midsize sedan category (same as Accord, Camry...) but sportier.