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#6291 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [habitat1] by rockylee Oct 05, 2006 (8:05 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 05, 2006 7:45 am) A lot less nimble than their RWD counterparts.   True, but they still sell quite a few for it being a BMW   That's your perogative. Pay for the extra gas, ALL THE TIME. Pay for the extra maintenance and, potentially, expensive repairs down the road. And then call me up when it's pouring rain or a freak snowstorm in Texas and ask me if I want to race? No thanks. Further, I have no intention of taking any of my cars, 911 included, to an off-road event. That's where Audi's Quatro shines. But you couldn't give me an overweight S4 for half the price of an M3 on the paved roads I drive.   #1 It's an Acura not a BMW, it won't break down. BIG DIFFERENCE !!!!!   #2 Snowstorms in the Tx Panhandle aren't freak, ask rorr.   #3 SH-AWD enhances handling, not dimishes it.   Wanna bet? The "sporty" RL has no 6-speed manual in 2006. The Legend GS had one in 1996. All BMW 5-series have them. The 2007 TL will not have a 6-speed manual, unless you go to the TL-S model. And with that, Acura is adding more power to a FWD platform. Oh yes, it will be the "king" - of wheel hop and torque steer. Dumb is as dumb does and in spite of 2 very nice Acura's in our driveway, they aren't exactly proving to me to be Rhodes scholars.   Agree somewhat. However with the RDX, it outshines the X3 in handling. They are sheer geniuous when it boils down to design and technology. The new product will surely be competitive with BMW, if the RDX is any reference for the future. They have and always will outshine BMW in technology IMHO   Complete bullsh... (cough, cough). You need to stop spreading those BS germs.   BMW, has never made a car that could handle quite like the Dodge Stealth. They were nimble. The 2008' M3 could be the exception. So yeah I'm coughing BS, on your disagreement.   Rocky Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Oct 05, 2006 8:27 am) blueguydotcom (Oct 05, 2006 9:33 am) habitat1 (Oct 05, 2006 10:06 am) louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 10:35 am) kdshapiro (Oct 05, 2006 10:39 am) louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am)
#6292 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [rockylee] by kdshapiro Oct 05, 2006 (8:27 am)
Replying to: rockylee (Oct 05, 2006 8:05 am) The TL is a nose heavy car. Not much SHAWD is gonna do for that car no matter how many hp they put into it.   The Dodge Stealth, you've got to be kidding me.
#6293 of 11053 Re: I get [habitat1] by blueguydotcom Oct 05, 2006 (9:32 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 05, 2006 7:59 am) But my neighbor who was on Porsche's racing team would take a RWD GT3 over a Turbo for a winding track course - and win, in spite of a 100 hp and 200 ft-lb disadvantage.   Exactly.   At the track earlier this year a few guys had GT3s and those cars were monsters. Yummy.
#6294 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [rockylee] by blueguydotcom Oct 05, 2006 (9:33 am)
Replying to: rockylee (Oct 05, 2006 8:05 am) BMW, has never made a car that could handle quite like the Dodge Stealth...   You mean a 4000 lb car that was sluggish and undulated in corners? You're right. Recently BMW hasn't made a car that can handle quite as poorly as a Stealth.
#6295 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [rockylee] by habitat1 Oct 05, 2006 (10:06 am)
Replying to: rockylee (Oct 05, 2006 8:05 am) "#1 It's an Acura not a BMW, it won't break down. BIG DIFFERENCE !!!!! "   Re-check your facts. Honda/Acura have had major problems with their automatic transmissions. Won't admit to more than 2% failures, but 30%+ of the owners of TL's and MDX's we know (4 of 12) have had failures. In one case, two failures. My Acura dealer has replaced more Acura automatics at less than 50,000 miles than he has clutches at 100,000+ miles. I have no particluar reason to believe that the SH-AWD system is doomed to fail at some point. But for me, it doesn't add any value on a SPORT SEDAN, so why take the risk? MDX/RDX are a different animal. This forum is about sport sedans, last time I checked.   "#3 SH-AWD enhances handling, not dimishes it."   Not in a SPORT SEDAN, as far as I'm concerned.   "However with the RDX, it outshines the X3 in handling."   Come on Rocky, let's not go through this again. You keep getting in trouble repeating some advertising claim or what an "Acura spokesmouth" tells you.   "BMW, has never made a car that could handle quite like the Dodge Stealth."   Thank God for that. I actually considered the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 back in the mid 1990's. At 3,800 lbs, it was about as un-nimble as one could get. I came to my senses and bought a Nissan Maxima that weighed nearly a HALF TON LESS. And then bought a real sports car (Honda S2000) when I could afford to. The Stealth/3000GT were bloated pigs back then, don't start romanticizing about the past in addition to speculating about the future.
#6296 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [rockylee] by louiswei Oct 05, 2006 (10:35 am)
Replying to: rockylee (Oct 05, 2006 8:05 am) BMW, has never made a car that could handle quite like the Dodge Stealth   Please tell me that above sentence is a joke. A Mitsu 3000GT is already bad enough neverthless a Dodge one. You are giving me goose bumps here, Rocky.   A buddy of mine (also my college roommate) has gone from 3000GT to 330ci to most recently Boxster S. He and I both agreed that the handling between 3000GT and the 330ci is like night and day. However, I've never got a chance to drive his Boxster S but he told me it's an improvement from the Bimmer but the difference is no where near the 3000GT/330ci gap. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Oct 05, 2006 10:39 am) louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am)
#6297 of 11053 Mebbe... by pat HOST Oct 05, 2006 (10:36 am)
...we could stick to the true Entry-Level Performance Sedans? Several people have asked that we do that, so let's give it a shot!   BTW, I don't know how the A4 got lost from the list, but I put it back.
#6298 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [louiswei] by kdshapiro Oct 05, 2006 (10:39 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 10:35 am) In deference to Pat's request, slightly /ot for one second. The Boxster S unless I'm mistaken, is a mid-engine two seater. Comparing the handling to a 4 seater coupe is not quite apples to apples. Replies to this message: louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am)
#6299 of 11053 Re: Can I bring up the future "1" last time for a momment [kdshapiro] by louiswei Oct 05, 2006 (10:48 am)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 05, 2006 10:39 am) Agreed. It's not fair to compare the handling between Boxster S and 3 coupe. Not just that, the price difference between the 2 also makes them un-comparable. My intention from the previous post is to point out how horrible the 3000GT handles compare to the Bimmer nevertheless the Dodge Stealth.
#6300 of 11053 GM thinks Buick belongs here, too. by robertr Oct 05, 2006 (11:05 am)
I saw an large ad in the Wall Street Journal the other day for a Buick Lucerne. According to the ad copy, it's a competitor for the Lexus ES350, Acura TL, and Infiniti G35. Apparently because it has a "Northstar V-8". I couldn't believe it - I'm sure it doesn't come in anything except FWD automatic, so maybe the ES350 and TL are targets, but G35? At least they didn't mention BMW. Replies to this message: dandrews1 (Oct 05, 2006 11:23 am) louiswei (Oct 05, 2006 11:31 am) ggesq (Oct 05, 2006 12:48 pm)

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