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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#5017 of 16984 another relevent thread where you ideas are welcome
Dec 12, 2005 (10:57 am)
I would be very interested in your folks' thoughts at this other thread: Best car (used or new) for $40,000
the basic parameters are: sporty, nice freeway drive, seats 4, and gets at least 28 mpg. Since we're spending 40k, I probably don't need to specify "luxury" as most offerings at that price are going to have at least a minimum of luxury feel.
Honda Accord Hybrid
1997 Porsche 911 Carrera (the kids will fit, really!)
2002 BMW M3
2004 Audi S4
2006 Subaru STi (and treat yourself to a '97 Miata with the change!)
2006 Volvo V70R (don't forget the 3rd row jumpseat option!)
2006 Pontiac GTO (see the STi note above)
2006 Sport sedan? BMW 330i
2006 Luxo sedan? Mercedes-Benz C280
01 or 02 Lexus LS430
#5018 of 16984 Re: another relevent thread where you ideas are welcome [calidave]
Dec 12, 2005 (5:35 pm)
Those cars are all over the map in terms of form/function. To me "best" is a new 2006 330i, followed by a 2006 STi. I don't buy used/pre-owned cars and I like sportier vehicles so many of them are automatically off the list. I can live without a lot of "so called" creature comforts.
What are your thoughts?
#5019 of 16984 And So it Begins. . .
Dec 12, 2005 (6:25 pm)
I posted the following (in error) several days ago in the Luxury Performance Sedans board. Apparently there are fewer manual transmission fans there than I thought. Anyway, FWIW:
A couple of years ago I learned that my present car (Lincoln LS) was going to be cut adrift -- it's not discussed here, but six years ago, we thought it was going to be quite something. Oh well. . . It'll good for the forseeable future, but in the next 6-30 months, I'll probably pull the lanyard on something different.
I have three requirements for my lux or "near-lux" car: 1) manual transmission, 2) rear-wheel drive, 3) must carry my bicycle inside (really big back seat, fold-down seatbacks or Avant style).
Then I have a few "nice-to-haves": good long-term reliability (100-200K miles), decent fuel mileage & dealers that have a clue regarding sports sedans & proper service.
The only three (lux or near-lux) vehicles on the planet that meet my requirements are the BMW 3, the BMW 5 and the G35 coupe. Given that, I compromised and added the IS250 (no fold-down seat), the A4 Avant (AWD) & the A3 (front-wheel drive) to my matrix. And, IMHO, the long-term reliability of both the BMW & Audi are suspect.
I tend to avoid bells & whistles, but still like some amenities: sport suspension/wheels/tires, upgraded audio & xenons; Homelink is simple & useful. I appreciate being able to select just what I want (German), though the Infiniti premium package covers most of what I want without too much fluff. I looked at the 330, since the upgraded audio & xenons were standard, but the extra dollars beyond that were wasted on me. I guess I don't crave the extra horsepower & much of the rest I care about even less.
Two that meet all my requirements (BMW 3 & G35 coupe) came within $40 of each other (sticker or invoice), set up the way I want. My present car has taught me that extra size and weight (as in the BMW 5) are of little value.
Hmmm . . . I yap a lot about Asian reliability, but the reality is that I could have a 325 for the same price as a G35 (in country). Since I'm more than willing to do the ED thing, the 325 starts to look even better. Plus which, Electric Red is just about the most attractive (to me) colour in the class. And, finally, Shipo has helped me come to grips with the concept that owning a BMW doesn't necessarily cause one to become a poseur and/or lower life form.
More later, as I review the last 3-5 pages of each of the brochures. Those tables are where the action is, for me -- the standard equipment & option packages take awhile to dissect & compare.
Edit -- I may add the CTS to the mix. More research is required, though I'm very reluctant to try yet another American franchise used to dealing only with people who have been in the AARP at least 15 years.
#5020 of 16984 Re: another relevent thread where you ideas are welcome [kdshapiro]
Dec 12, 2005 (10:57 pm)
I'm really struggling. I'm going from a convertible that is fairly spartan. It has neither luxury nor sportiness, but I like it for what it was. Still, I don't want ANOTHER one!!
We already have an SUV, which gets used for toting the teenagers and their friends to soccer, etc. and for getting us up to the mountains on occasion. So I need a daily commuter that I won't be embarassed to be seen getting out of in the corporate parking lot.
Plus.....I simply can not drive a gas guzzler. Because of the job I have, it would be inappropriate for me to drive something that gets 15 mpg and LOOKS like it is getting 15 mpg. My current car passes the smell test (and does get 21 mpg). But a Mustang wouldn't. And I do get some grins, personally, by driving a fuel-efficient vehicle. But that's just me.
My only experience buying used was not a great one. Yes, I ended up with a nicer car than I would have bought new. But I did end up with maintenance issues that I would have been less likely to have if I bought new.
Will a 2003 5-series really be that likely to cause me problems?
#5021 of 16984 Re: And So it Begins. . . [cdnpinhead]
Dec 12, 2005 (11:01 pm)
I appreciate your thoughts....but how does the CTS work for you? Does the rear set fold down? Can you really get a bike in there?
I drove an SRX and I really liked it, but we chose a different SUV. I bet the CTS is a great ride. They also come in RED.
But Euro delivery rocks! Why doesn't GM let us pick up cars at the Cadillac plant?!!!
#5022 of 16984 Re: And So it Begins. . . [cdnpinhead]
Dec 13, 2005 (7:02 am)
Since you are considering the A3, why not the V50?
I believe it would be cheaper than most of the other cars on your list, too.
Dec 13, 2005 (10:50 am)
V50 is FWD
#5024 of 16984 Re: no V50 [calidave]
Dec 13, 2005 (11:22 am)
A3 is FWD too, but I really enjoyed renting one in Europe once, but it was a 1.9 Tdi.
The reality is the the A3 is out because no RWD and the A4 has AWD, but given where I live, I don't want to drag around the extra weight, all in the front. They're just in for the sake of completeness & curiousity -- what would one equipped the way I want cost? That sort of thing.
I priced out the 2.8 litre Cad last night and will do the 3.6 next. I just don't see me setting myself up to be disappointed by another American car company that's pretending for awhile that it wants to build a competitive sport sedan. Eventually, the bean counters will probably win.
#5025 of 16984 Re: no V50 [calidave]
Dec 13, 2005 (12:24 pm)
as previous poster pointed out, the A3 is FWD, too, and that was on the original list.
Both are available in AWD, as well.
Dec 13, 2005 (1:20 pm)
it would be cool if you could rent a car for a month (for less than $50/day) to see if you liked it. Are there any businesses out there that work on that model?
I guess there are places where you can rent just about any car you want for a week. Granted, it might not be equipped like you want, but if it has the engine, trans., setup that you want, you'd get a lot of good info. "Damn, I can't get my bike in this back seat"
am sure you can rent a CTS for a few days to see if it is a poseur or the real thing