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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#466 of 16984 CR & G35
Jan 08, 2004 (5:16 am)
cybersol... CR ranks the G35 12th out of the 15 cars in their upscale sedan category. CR's full test of the G35 sedan was in the July 2003 issue. In that test it came out fourth behind the Lincoln LS6, Cadillac CTS, and Nissan Maxima 3.5 SE, but ahead of the Saab 9-3 Vector.
They tested a G35 automatic. Test data:
Dry braking, 60-0 mph: 133 ft
Avoidance maneuver: 54.0 mph
0-60 mph: 6.8 secs
1/4 mile: 15.4 secs
45-65 mph: 4.3 secs
Fuel economy: 20 mpg
Tires: Bridgestone Turanza EL42, P215/55R17 93V. So, again, pretty narrow tires compared to TL's 235s.
Predicted reliability: 2nd best rating.
Jan 08, 2004 (5:33 am)
Notice the above time is the worst ever published for the sedan. I'd take my grounding wired G35 against a TL and feel pretty confident I'd tie or better 50% of the time. 6.8 is bad. The 5AT records 6.2 and the 6MT is approx 5.5-5.9. 45-65 tells all about the power of the these motors. Anyone care to put up those numbers comparing TL/3/IS...
#468 of 16984 Equipment & Methodology
Jan 08, 2004 (5:47 am)
Remember to take into account equipment on the tested car. The BMW 330i was NOT tested with its most valuable Sport Package. Don't believe the G35 had its either. So they ran on terrible tires.
Also, you have to take into account CR's methodology. Compare that to methodology of car magazines. Auto press usually uses whatever most aggressive method at launch.
And remember that CR does NOT get its cars from the manufacturers. It buys real cars off real dealers' lots. Is easy for manufacturers to give car magazines ringers!
#469 of 16984 Taillights...
Jan 08, 2004 (6:14 am)
The Ultimate Argument does not hold water. Performance figures do not indicate a 330i will be seeing the taillights of any car in this category. The cars the 330i will see the taillights of so will the TL and G35. Since I have no plans on racing you on the street and potentially hurting myself or other drivers, I will have to leave it to people who measure such things.
Even with CRs testing methodolody, G35 came in behind 330i. It's not about the 330i being faster, it's about the 330i being the more expensive, holding it's own against cars having bigger engines, with a 35 hp/torque advantage. And while the 330i may lose the quarter mile to a G35, it loses by .1 second to a car with a .5 liter bigger engine.
riez - I believe is correct, that car mags use a do-or-die method to get the absolute fastest time. You wouldn't necessarily want to do that to your car. CR probably uses a more conservative approach, where drivetrain parts do not get strewn all over the tarmac.
Not knocking either car, you can't dismiss the performance/handling aspect of the 3-series, while extolling the value aspect of either car.
chrisboth - show me one review where the G35 sedan 6MT has a 5.5 time to 60.
Jan 08, 2004 (8:21 am)
At work there is a nice G35 with 18" wheels, lowered some that looks awesome. Someone also bought the new TL which is very good looking also. I just went to the LA Auto show and saw the TL A-Spec, very impressive. You can battle these two all day long, and all you get is bloody there is no winner. They are both super nice Enthusiasts always talk about RWD as preference, but if you look at many of the touring racing formats you see that FWD does pretty well. Both the Acura RSX and Mazda 3 have been championship winners in the touring classes against BMW.
You G35, TL & IS300 worshipers are gonna be upset when the new 2005 Legacy finally hits the shores. Performance and handling will leave those behind. The Legacy has already bettered a RS6 at a track in Japan. I say it here now so you won't be disappointed when the mags say it later. The BMW 330 Perf., Audi S4 and Volvo S60R/V70R will get their lickings also. I can't comment on the interior until I see it in person, although it is gonna be steps ahead.
#471 of 16984 no disappointment
Jan 08, 2004 (8:28 am)
The Legacy GT is another one I'm looking forward to. But I'd be surprised if it bests the others. It will probably be faster in a straight line with a tall clutch dump, but on a track they will be much closer. Unless Subaru finally puts a real sporting suspension on a non-STi product, its not going to be very tossable.
#472 of 16984 This should be interesting
Jan 08, 2004 (8:35 am)
"You G35, TL & IS300 worshipers are gonna be upset when the new 2005 Legacy finally hits the shores. Performance and handling will leave those behind. I say it here now so you won't be disappointed when the mags say it later. "
This car may be geared to get to 60 in less than 6 but lets see the real numbers when tested and see the rest of the story. I expect it to be a solid car but I doubt 3/G lovers are weeping just yet. 250 HP spread to 4 wheels is about what an a-4 is...fun but no M5.
#473 of 16984 The current GT is pretty tossable.
Jan 08, 2004 (8:36 am)
If you review the few mag articles that relate specifically to the GT, they mention how balanced the handling is. The rub has always been the lack of power, and the interior refinement.
#474 of 16984 No disappointment
Jan 08, 2004 (8:36 am)
I can buy an SRT4 for cheap, put $10K worth of mods in it and blow everything away. But I ask myself, is this the car I really wanna drive? What does the ability to outgun every car with one that has not even a modicum of luxury have to do with anything?
Yes you'll lose the race, but I'm sure you will think, look at that guy in the cheap modded American car, compared to my fancy A-spec TL.
#475 of 16984 No stoplight racing intended - No Mods Needed
Jan 08, 2004 (8:42 am)
For mountain highway travel, canyon carving and all purpose driving the Legacy has always been a sleeper. It now finally will have the engine the chassis deserves. Drive a Leagcy in the mountains and you will know what I am talking about. If you want mods then wait till the STi Legacy comes, rumour is 350-400 HP Turbo H6 to match up directly with S4. : )