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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jun 21, 2005 (6:44 am)
One thing I still don't see many people admitting, is BMW, Benzes, and Audi's low reliability and high cost of maintanance. I feel this is in the direction of pride. No one likes to admit cost paid, vs more cost spent to maintain...and it does cost more once it's in shop (vs Asian, US brands). .
Ah but because of the all inclusive 4 yr/50k warranty, maintaining a bmw comes down to new tires once a year. If you're gonna keep the car for more than 3-4 years then maintenance costs become an issue with any car.
Then again, if one buys a G/TL, you gotta get oil changes, tune-ups and so forth.
So for the millionth time - because you're beating a dead horse - total cost to maintain of my 330i - $2000 over two years. All spent on tires.
#3733 of 16986 Re: curious [draknad]
Jun 21, 2005 (8:40 am)
One thing I still don't see many people admitting, is BMW, Benzes, and Audi's low reliability and high cost of maintenance.
I bought a BMW 318ti in August of 1995 and drove it daily for 9-1/2 years putting 112,000 miles on the odometer. In that time I had one (1) mechanical failure -- the ignition switch went out and need to be replaced. I think it cost me something like $275.00, I forget.
I'm sorry, but it would be disingenuous for me to confess to reliability problems I haven't had. I'm not saying that BMW's are problem free (no car is), it's just that reliability ratings can be misleading. Just because it says that the average maintenance cost of a BMW is X amount of dollars, doesn't mean that everyone who buys one is going to wind up spending that amount. I'm sure there is someone out that bought one just like mine that has sworn off BMW forever after the gazillionth trip to the repair shop, but I'm not that guy. Quit accusing us lying just because we won't reinforce your preconceived notions of German car reliability.
Besides, if you look at the numbers closely, it appears that the odds of buying a unreliable new car in the US is pretty slim no matter what make you buy.
#3734 of 16986 Re: curious [draknad]
Jun 21, 2005 (9:10 am)
Actually people are afraid to question the value of a Japanese car. Friend has been a long time Acura nut, but has been frothing at the mouth due to issues. My BMW was in any shop 5 times in 3 years. That's the way it should be, and I daresay out of my BMW owning friends, it is.
And when they are out of warranty, Japanese vehicles cost as much to repair/maintain as German.
Can you say $3K for a transmission?
#3735 of 16986 $3k for a tranny is cheap
Jun 21, 2005 (9:23 am)
Really cheap. My buddy's 540 had a tranny issue. over $5k later it was replace/fixed. Ouch. From what i've heard most automatics when they go bad costs that kinda dough now. And people wonder why I run from automatics...
#3736 of 16986 Re: Forget the Value/Price factor [shipo]
Jun 21, 2005 (10:18 am)
Nother myth people don't understand. (BTW: this is another discussion statement)
FWD vs RWD
SCCA Touring Car pts standings
TOP 6: FWD lead points
7/10 FWD lead point standings.
So you think RWD performs better then FWD?
FWD cars regularly outperform RWD. And we're talking prof racing.
#3737 of 16986 Re: Forget the Value/Price factor [draknad]
Jun 21, 2005 (10:56 am)
I've tried that argument a number of times. Its like trying to argue against a religion. At some point, you wind up talking in circles and convincing nobody of anything.
#3738 of 16986 Re: Forget the Value/Price factor [qbrozen]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jun 21, 2005 (10:57 am)
Well.. maybe that is because you are wrong!!
It could happen, ya know?
#3739 of 16986 Re: Forget the Value/Price factor [kyfdx]
Jun 21, 2005 (11:00 am)
have you been talking to my wife?
#3740 of 16986 BMW Ultimate Driving Experience: G35, A4, & 330i
Jun 21, 2005 (11:00 am)
Sign up on the BMW web site or call the phone number and see for yourself. I drove the E90 330i, G35, and A4 3.2 quattro on a closed course in Atlanta last Friday. I had driven a similar Lexus event a year ago. Told my professional race car driver instructor to tell me to keep it down if I was too aggressive. He never said boo - but I figured I was braking at the proper time when his foot hit the passenger floor board at the same time mine went for the brake.
Observations (all cars were automatics):
A4 - Heavy and understeering. Must be hammered with tires squealing, trusting in the AWD to drag you out of corners.
G35 - A "beast". Good power and unforgiving handling. Transmission drops back to idle when you come off the gas, leading to delays in getting the power back down.
New 330i - An amazingly balanced sport sedan. A smoother ride and more room than my '04. Active steering on an autocross course was telepathic. Brakes, engine, step transmission in sports mode, and suspension all in sync.
Did a hot lap with the pro at the wheel - shifted the BMW's steptronic transmission manually and left it in second and followed the line - woohoo!
Feed back on MY driving - needed to use the FULL width of the course side to side for the most speed through the cones. I also tended to either go full throttle or braking vice a graduated release of the throttle / application of the brakes as the steering input comes in and then the reverse as it comes out.
A great experience to drive all three cars all out at a slow speed (50ish) autocross limit on a 1 mile closed course.
Anyone else done this?
#3741 of 16986 Re: BMW Ultimate Driving Experience: G35, A4, & 330i [jamesspot]
Jun 21, 2005 (11:16 am)
Did BMW X3 a couple of years ago at Belmont NY. There were no comparo vehicles, only X3's on the autocross. Also, locked in 2nd, and a real hoot. (Plus super hot French-Canadien instructor babe!)Other BMW's were available for the street loop.
Did MB M-Class last Sunday at same locale-not as perf oriented as BMW, but I flogged C-Class (very nimble, but not much power)
Will sign up for BMW at Shea Stadium in Sept.-I hope I can flog a G35 and then a 330i. Sounds like a blast!