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#3663 of 16087 Re: Why people buy BMWs [cdnpinhead] by shipo

Jun 16, 2005 (8:24 pm)

Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jun 16, 2005 7:16 pm)
Your comments echo my own feelings of seven years ago. Back then I was a happy 1995 VR6 Passat GLX 5-Speed driver and was looking forward to getting a 1999 Passat with the same basic features as my 1995 plus a couple of extra goodies like power memory seats, climate control and automatic wipers. As fortune would have it, the 1998 Passat GLX was equipped exactly as I wanted my next car to be equipped, then came the 1999 model year. Bzzzt! I'm sorry, that is incorrect! Why? VW in their infinite wisdom discontinued the 5-Speed manual for that model year, and that model year only. Why? Beats the willies out of me.
 
As I refused to yield on my combination of a manual transmission and at the very least the power seats (I was valet parking two to three times a week at that time and YIKES can a parking valet screw up a perfectly positioned manual seat), and climate control (I hate fiddling with the controls every time the sun goes behind a cloud in the summer time). So, with the above in mind, that left the following cars:
- Infiniti I30/Nissan Maxima twins (ugly and mushy suspensions compared to my Passat)
- Audi A4 (too small in the back seat area -- two kids in car seats you know)
- Saab 9-3 (local dealer refused to order me one with a 5-Speed)
- Volvo S70 (same dealer as the Saab, and the same attitude regarding the 5-Speed)
- BMW 528i (too slow, couldn't afford the 540i, and ewwww, that BMW stigma)
- BMW 328i (a little smaller inside than the 1999 Passat but otherwise just about perfect excepting of course for that same BMW stigma)
 
With all of that said, once I drove the 328i, I was hooked. Nuthin' and I do mean NUTHIN' even came close, so, stigma be damned. I've been driving BMWs ever since.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#3664 of 16087 Edmunds Comparo.. by merc1

Jun 16, 2005 (11:05 pm)

Ok now Edmunds has done it. Why in the world would they compare a A4 2.0t to a 330i? Totally ridiculous. Of course the 330i would win that contest quite easily.
 
M

#3665 of 16087 Re: Why people buy BMWs [cdnpinhead] by blueguydotcom

Jun 16, 2005 (11:20 pm)

Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jun 16, 2005 7:16 pm)
Those who own one because "it's a BMW" drive me to distraction.
 
They drive me bonkers. A girl at a party came up to me and said, "I have a bmw too." I asked what model. She blinked. blinked again. "It's a bmw. the little one."
 
Ah, yes, the typical Southern California BMW owner. My peers...golly, how lucky I am.
 
It could be worse, I could own a Hummer.

#3666 of 16087 Re: Edmunds Comparo.. [merc1] by blueguydotcom

Jun 16, 2005 (11:28 pm)

Replying to: merc1 (Jun 16, 2005 11:05 pm)
Ok now Edmunds has done it. Why in the world would they compare a A4 2.0t to a 330i? Totally ridiculous. Of course the 330i would win that contest quite easily.
 
Did you actually read the article? They clearly state that Audi sent them the the sportiest A4 made; Audi doesn't make a manual A4 with the V6. Audi knew going in that their top A4 in performance wasn't the V6 model. kinda sad when you think about it. Their A3 wih a DSG is a better performing car.
 
BTW, what the blazes is wrong with Edmunds test drivers? Everybody and their mother is getting low 6s for the A3 DSG. Edmunds gets close to 7 seconds?! Then they get a 6.6 with a 330i? The car's far more powerful than my old school e46 with performance package (I've driven e90s and they're better in every way) - a car that scampered to 60 in under 6 seconds. something's totally off with their testing.

#3667 of 16087 Re: Edmunds Comparo.. [blueguydotcom] by merc1

Jun 16, 2005 (11:45 pm)

Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 16, 2005 11:28 pm)
Yeah I read it, they should have just compared both 6-cylinders with automatics or probably not at all. Doesn't make any sense to me. A turbo 4 vs the industry standard I6? No way. Either way Audi dropping the manual/V6 combo is a mistake if Mercedes can offer a manual in the C350.
 
M

#3668 of 16087 Article by pat

Jun 17, 2005 (4:14 am)

2006 BMW 330i vs. 2005 Audi A4 Comparison Test.
 
In addition to continuing the conversation here, feel free to drop by Karl's Daily Log Book and discuss your reactions directly with Karl Brauer, Editor in Chief of Edmunds.com.
 
I see bluyguy's already there.

#3669 of 16087 Re: Oh yeah [dhanley] by fedlawman

Jun 17, 2005 (5:21 am)

Replying to: dhanley (Jun 16, 2005 8:21 am)
Are you going to drop an m3 engine in there, fed?
 
After spending the whole day yesterday driving it, I think a JC chip will be enough for me. Next to my Miata, this is the best performing car I've ever owned, and a thrill to drive - just the way it is.

#3670 of 16087 Re: Edmunds Comparo.. [blueguydotcom] by bmw3434

Jun 17, 2005 (6:54 am)

Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 16, 2005 11:28 pm)
Believe it or not ...
The E46 with a performance package and manual transmission could go 0-60 in 5.9 sec. The 0-60 time of an E90 with a manual transmission can hit 6.1 sec.
Weird...

#3671 of 16087 Re: Edmunds Comparo.. [bmw3434] by blueguydotcom

Jun 17, 2005 (8:09 am)

Replying to: bmw3434 (Jun 17, 2005 6:54 am)
Believe it or not ...
The E46 with a performance package and manual transmission could go 0-60 in 5.9 sec. The 0-60 time of an E90 with a manual transmission can hit 6.1 sec.
Weird...
 
I don't believe it. Not for a second.

#3672 of 16087 Re: Why people buy BMWs [shipo] by odessit

Jun 17, 2005 (8:23 am)

Replying to: shipo (Jun 16, 2005 8:24 pm)
Can someone explain what’s wrong with BMW stigma? What’s wrong with loving the car simply because it bears some specific name? Look, I understand if you drive bmw and do not even know what model is that you are driving, like the girl in blueguydotcom’s example – those people simply do not deserve to drive this great vehicle. On a contrary I know my car in and out, I understand exactly what I am driving. But at the same time, when I decided that I am buying a new car I had no doubt about the make. And the thing “because it is bmw” was my main reason. Simply because I always liked this car. I always wanted this car. I always respected this car and even people who are driving this car simply because for me bmw is a symbol. Symbol of something positive. Symbol of me achieved something for just 13 years living in USA. Something that I would never be able to achieve in my native country doing things legally. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
So, what’s wrong with loving BMW just because it is BMW?
mike

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