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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3067 of 16984 Where They Were Way Back, Then, and Now
Dec 13, 2004 (10:40 am)
eaton53... Would be interesting to compare market share, sales, reliability and customer satisfaction date for both Cadillac and Lincoln in 1985 (before A, I, & L) and then in the post-A-I-L era (i.e., say 1990, 1995, 2000, and 2004). C & L, like A, BMW, & MB learned some hard lessons.
maxhonda99... Did they renovate the building significantly? A, I, & L had completely new franchise agreements when they came on line. And they deliberately started off with small networks in an attempt to better "manage" customer service issues vis-a-vis dealers.
#3068 of 16984 Re: Where They Were Way Back, Then, and Now [riez]
Dec 13, 2004 (11:36 am)
The only changes were the addition of the Lexus dealership look. YOu know the beige/brown stucco exterior. Interior stayed pretty much the same except with the obvious furniture change.
A new franchise agreement doesn't necessarily mean the new franchisee has to build totally new buildings. Ultimately any car showroom can be used to sell any other cars with slight modifications like a window where customers can look into the service bays, breakfast area for customers, etc.
#3069 of 16984 Re: Where They Were Way Back, Then, and Now [riez]
Dec 13, 2004 (11:36 am)
"Would be interesting to compare market share, sales, reliability and customer satisfaction date for both Cadillac and Lincoln in 1985"
I don't think most of the surveys existed before about 1990... I believe MB was at the top early on and have been on the downslide for a long time.
I'd guess that Cadillac and Lincoln were pretty bad at the beginning, but are near the top now. Cadillac's one of the few in the top 5 in IQS, VDI and CSI for 2004... only 3 brands have managed to pull off this trifecta - Lexus and Buick are the others.
#3070 of 16984 Re: cdost1 [cdost1]
Dec 16, 2004 (10:47 pm)
I'm near you. I tried the GX AWD. I was not impressed with the way it handled on the highway (lots of road noise), and the brakes were really, really touchy (common complaint). The Summit infinit dealer is very nice.
Denville dealer is nice, just won't go down on their prices.
Have you considered the FX by infiniti? That's really nice, and you might be able to scoop up a really good deal on a 2004.
Snagged a 325xi wagon elsewhere (c. 12,000 miles certified), but haven't been impressed with the gas mileage, yet. If I had known, might have picked the FX (if presented with a really good deal), but this summer was cringing at gas prices.
I read somewhere that the Acura is kind of junky....but that's only gossip to be checked out on that board.
Hope that helps. Good luck!
Dec 17, 2004 (6:20 am)
road noise is a common thing in a g35, brakes arent that touchy imo, try merc e-class, now thats touchy. while i like the way g35 (rwd) handles, the awd version is less impressive somehow, maybe its just me but the gxs handling isnt as responsive as its rwd version.
#3072 of 16984 Re: cdost1 [cargal2]
Dec 18, 2004 (12:14 pm)
Thanks for the headsup. I am actually heading out the door in about 30 minutes with my wife to drive both the 325xi and the G35x. I have quotes on both and I can honestly say I am not sure what I will do. The Acura is off the list. I am not crazy about the look.
I'll let you all know what we do.
#3073 of 16984 Re: cdost1 [cargal2]
Dec 20, 2004 (2:00 pm)
In regards to the G35 touchy brakes: When I test-drove a 2004 G35, that was a big concern of mine. When I went back for another drive, I drove a 2005, and the "touchyness" was gone. I since learned that the 2005's have larger brake rotors than the 2004's. (BTW, I was also not crazy about the 2004 interior, but they improved that too.)
#3074 of 16984 Re: cdost1 [cdost1]
Dec 20, 2004 (2:26 pm)
Can you share the quote on the g35x ?
#3075 of 16984 Re: cdost1 [cdost1]
Dec 20, 2004 (3:49 pm)
In addition to the quote, if you got one, please share your opinion on the 325ix vs. G35x in their performance and drivability. I just drove the 325ix. Haven't driven the Infiniti yet.
Dec 27, 2004 (12:40 pm)
hi cdost, cargal and everyone,
I'm currently looking for a new car. I have the 300C, 3's, G35, ES and TL in my list.
300C is off the list because I wasnt impressed by it's handling, front grill and interior, but boy the car was really flying. I guess its time to move up to a real entry luxury performance class
Test drove the ES, everything is perfect except for acceleration, speed and handling. And I guess this one is also off my list.
Now I'm leaning towards the last 3 cars. I would have taken the TL off my list after reading some comments, but I decided not to (not yet).
I havent test driven the car, no so crazy about it. Too many of them on the street.
Having said that, I did some research on the new TL on all car related websites, NHTSA and many others. I'm quite surprised that ES'04 has more trans failures than all those 3's, followed by 3's, G35
and TL'04. (I couldnt find any about trans failure on TL'04, is this for real?
but more on BMW3'04, G35'04 and especially the ES'04)
I'm going to test drive the G35 this afternoon and 330/325 later on. I'm hoping that G35 is the one. I love that sexy looking car.
One question though, I read some post that the G35X is not as fast as the G35 and I also heard the 6MT has problems with it's transmission. According to some, Infiniti just hasnt issued a recall unless more people complain.
Is there any other things that I should look at (I understand that the interior is probably the cheapest among the other 3 but I can live with that)?