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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2949 of 16985 Re: I picked the Mercedes C-class sport sedan [jrock65]
Nov 08, 2004 (7:27 pm)
Hi jrock65, thank you for your response.
Data i got from other forum,
05 C230K sport sedan 36month 12k/yr, residual 60%
04 325i 36month 12k/yr, residual 61%
05 TL 36month 12/yr, residual 58%
when we lease car, the residual is calculated based on the MSRP, for BMW, it's already a good deal if u can get $500 over invoice, for TL, it's hard to even knock off $500 from the MSRP, however, i am getting close to $4000 off MSRP for the MBZ. In conclusion, the larger the gap between the MSRP and the selling price, the less depreciation you will have to pay
(assume that the residual are the same).
I've done some research when i lease my C230K, i can get $399 plus tax ($0 down) on a C230K w/ MSRP of $34000, while i have to pay around $20 more ($0 down) per month for a TL w/ MSRP of around $32900. Not to mention that the MBCC charge more on the interest.
It's a given that the reliability of German car is always a ?, that's why i lease the MBZ so that i don't need to worry about reliability issue and i did have 4 toyotas before (still having a 03 4runner and i have to admit that Japanese cars are problem free)
I am sorry but i shouldn't have made the "still a Japanese car" comment, yes, you can feel it when u r sitting inside a MBZ or BMW or even a VW, (did own a 1999 VW golf before) may be it's my personal bias.
SH-AWD will be an awesome car and it's well worth the extra $2k, (a 270hp FWD just doesn't sound right to me) but i think it would be great if you can get it at MSRP when it first came out.
Nov 08, 2004 (8:57 pm)
According to the American Leasing Guide, TL is 52% at 36 months, 325i is 51%, and C230 is 46%. In any case, the differences are minor and all three hold value well.
I'm surprised that you could only get $500 off a TL. Maybe it's b/c the 2005 just came out. In a couple months, they should be close to invoice.
I know what you're talking about with the German/Japan distinction, although personally I prefer the "feel" of Japanese cars. In general, the leathers in German cars are firmer, Japanese leathers are softer, and German steering is heavier and Japanese steering is lighter.
In any case, the MB is a fine car and hope you enjoy it.
#2951 of 16985 Re: [jrock65]
Nov 08, 2004 (11:09 pm)
"I'm surprised that you could only get $500 off a TL. Maybe it's b/c the 2005 just came out. In a couple months, they should be close to invoice."
How did you get the idea that TL'd be at invoice price in a few months? 04 TL never got to that point the whole year. What made you think 05 will get there suddenly?
Nov 09, 2004 (7:20 am)
"How did you get the idea that TL'd be at invoice price in a few months? 04 TL never got to that point the whole year. What made you think 05 will get there suddenly?"
B/c in my area (DC), you could get a base auto 2004 TL for $500 to $800 over invoice about 5 months ago. The Navi's were much harder to discount.
#2953 of 16985 Re: [jrock65]
Nov 09, 2004 (10:17 am)
Got you. Well that's more close to the end of 04 model. But even then it's not at invoice yet (maybe when 06 comes out it will be). I think 05 has more Nav TL made now. Still, a $2,500 or so premium over non-Nav is expected.
#2954 of 16985 Re: FWD vs RWD. Not that important. [andy]
Nov 09, 2004 (12:29 pm)
In most metropolitan areas, traffic keeps getting worse. So performance driving just isn't that possible on urban and suburban streets.
But definitely having a performance car lends it cachet, even in crowded, rush-hour traffic. Especialy if the car looks muscular.
Nov 09, 2004 (12:46 pm)
“But definitely having a performance car lends it cachet…”
Heaven help us, now we’ll have to listen to lectures from Blueguy and Riez for the next week.
Just kiddin’ dudes… Lo-o-o-ve you guys!!!
Personally, I choose my cars based on how chicks with multiple body piercings like them.
Nov 09, 2004 (12:49 pm)
The key in every purchase for me is one question: will a 19 year old SDSU student from a raisin farm in Fresno think this is cool?
If the purchase doesn't meet that criteria, it's not getting made.
If ya believe that, I've got a seaside San Diego home to sell you for 100k.
#2958 of 16985 Re: me too [blueguydotcom]
Nov 09, 2004 (7:09 pm)
You can't underestimate the p***y magnet factor.
BTW, the new BMW 3-series will be in Gran Turismo 4 for the Playstation 2. People can see the cars in the game well before they're available for sale in the US.