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16088 messages, Last post on May 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum.What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#232 of 16088 What to do? by helena143
Nov 12, 2003 (8:47 am)
Hi. I am trying to decide between the G35 and a BMW 330i, and wud appreciate any ideas on what else I shud try. (I've tried both cars plus the IS300 and the RX-8). I was almost sold on the G35 until I read about its brake and cd players problems. Plus people are not pleased with Infiniti's service.I guess now I have no option, b/c the only comparable car to a G35 (BMW 330i w/ performance package--a must. Otherwise it's too slow.) is too much $$$. After receiving excellent service from both Honda and Saab, I have no interest in getting crap from any service dept./dealer. I mean, Saab gives you a loaner even if you are getting an oil change! And they just finished replacing the entire 200 watt Harmon Kardon sound system on my 9-5 because ONE speaker was fried (which was me playing the music too loud, not a defect). I definitely do not want to downgrade either in car quality (my 9-5 has been PERFECT) or service.
However, I just did some research on Lexis and and Infiniti is rated very high by JD Power and Associates.
For initial quality for the 2003 model year:
1. Lexus
2. Cadillac
3. Infiniti
8. BMW
11. Honda
14. Benz
29. Mazda
32. Saab
For dependability in 2003 (this rated vehicles of the 2000 model year after 3 years):
1. Lexus
2. Infiniti
13. BMW
12. Saab
26. Benz
For 1998 models after 4 years:
1. Lexus
2. Infiniti
10. BMW
16. Benz
19. Saab
Yet the bottom line seems to be that even tho Infiniti sells great cars, it has never developed the cachet of Lexus, much less BMW, etc. So it is desperate to sell cars. It is trying to rebuild its line (and Nissan) out of the slump brought on by the weak Yen and the success of Lexus.
Of course, the problem is that it seems to be caring more about GETTING customers than keeping customers.
Unless I get this car for below invoice, I won't take the chance on crappy product or service.
Am I right?
#233 of 16088 opinions please ..drove volvo s60r and G-35 like them both.... by bimmer97
Nov 12, 2003 (9:05 am)
I think the s60r is nice inside , has soft leather all around, infiniti has more hard plastic. imo orange gauges look horrible in g35 while volvo has cool looking blue.clutch is stiffer in g35, volvo has a light but spring loaded feel. the shifter of the G vibrates and takes a lot to get used to when shifting into reverse (Far right and downward motion) volvo doesn't vibrate and shifts into reverse more normally( what i'm used to)
both look good but have totally different looks G 35 has that japanesse looks whiel volvo has a more sedated euro look.
volvo steering feels looser at low parking lot speeds but tightens up when speed is increased. G-35 feels a little tight. both stick to the road and both seemed like they stop pretty well. i did not feel tubro lag and s60 had pop when accelating. s60 is awd and weighs more(don't need awd in Fla) i think the s60 is a little faster and hold a little better big 18" wheels w P zero's.
so my delema is which one do i get.
what will hold up betterin the long term. s60r is awd which i guess is nice but really isn't needed in Fla.
one is more expensive but is damm good both in and out. one is cheaper looks better out then in.
I think the g35 sedan wont hold value as well as the s60r because they will be produced in greater quanity.
any opinions would be appreciated.
#234 of 16088 The G Coupe by chrisboth
Nov 12, 2003 (11:41 am)
has the best residual of any coupe sold right now including BMW - per kilingers who i think does lease residuals. THe sedan supposedly is worth 56% after 4 years and the Coupe 62%. I'll live with that. Volvo with turbo may not be the easiest car to unload 4 years old.#236 of 16088 by kdshapiro
Nov 12, 2003 (12:36 pm)
If you want accurate information on lease residuals the car-man in the finance and warranty board will be able to tell you.#238 of 16088 Ask the people who are going to lease you the car by chrisboth
Nov 12, 2003 (12:51 pm)
what the residuals are. Kiplinger provides finance co's with residuals.#239 of 16088 by kdshapiro
Nov 12, 2003 (12:56 pm)
If you want to acquire a car you have to go to the dealers and negotiate a deal. BMWs have had historically very high residuals while Infiniti has had historically low residuals. Nothing I have seen or heard of has changed this. But you have to be willing to go toe-to-toe witht he dealer to get the best deal.#240 of 16088 History by chrisboth
Nov 12, 2003 (12:57 pm)
is just that history. Residuals change all the time - get the facts before you decide based on a forum with old information.PS there is no negotiating the resiudual. it is what the bank tells you it is and no car dealer can change it
#241 of 16088 by kdshapiro
Nov 12, 2003 (1:08 pm)
There may be not negotiating the residual, but everything else is up for grabs including the cap cost. History is useful in that it gives a sense of the future. Reputation which is the companies number one asset is based on history.To POST a message, please
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