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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16851 of 16984 Re: First failure [dino001]
Oct 23, 2013 (10:09 am)
I don't know. And for some reason I didn't test it before I left the dealer last night. It still doesn't work.
I'll post what was on the service invoice. If you aren't interested in technical stuff, please skip this post:
Boot/Trunk lid lock with microswitch incorrect connection
Hooked up charger. Short test found fault for rear latch.
Replaced rear trunk actuator with new one.
Now operates as should
#16852 of 16984 Re: First failure [m6user]
Oct 23, 2013 (10:18 am)
You do make some good points. This is a minor annoyance. I wouldn't bring it back to the dealer specifically for this trunk problem, but I have complained about it and the problem has supposedly been fixed 3 times.
Like you said, even though it is under warranty, doesn't cost me a dime, & I get a loaner car, it still takes time to drop the car off & pick it up. Last night I didn't hit much traffic at all, but had to stop & put gas in the loaner, then stop to put gas in my car on the way home.
I don't plan on buying the car at the end of the lease, so I'm not so nuts about it. Next service sin't called for another 16 or 17,000 miles.
#16853 of 16984 Re: First failure [nyccarguy]
Oct 23, 2013 (10:22 am)
How does the oil thing work if you only drive, say,8k a year? Would you actually go two years between oil changes? I know my Acura manual says to go by the oil monitor or 1 year, whichever comes first. Is it the same on the BMW?
#16854 of 16984 Re: First failure [m6user]
Oct 23, 2013 (10:50 am)
I know my car was made specifically in Munich. Not South Africa, not North America. One failure does not make a pattern, so we will see how that works. My guess that certain part suppliers are local, but others may be global. If a part is small and easy to ship large distances in large quantities, but requires some specific manufacturing (electric motors, electronic modules, etc.), there is no reason to split suppliers. Bulky items, easy to spec and manufacture (seats, liners, interior, sheetmetal) , a different story.
#16855 of 16984 Re: First failure [m6user]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:10 am)
I don't think it's the Eastern Europe issue. Most electronics today are made in East Asia or Eastern Europe, it is all controlled by handfull of companies. I think it's more about attitude and cost controls. Relays, electrical items have certain lifetime designed into them (say X hours). One rated for half of those hours can cost one tenth of the price - and it looks just the same. It becomes irresistible for them to try, especially that chances are, majority will work for much longer. That rating may come from statistical sampling that certain percentage will meet the time criteria and to achieve same percentage of the the longer time, manufacturing process would have to be redesigned, making part that much more expensive. Cost-benefit for manufacturer becomes such that it's cheaper to deal with higher percentage repairs than pay for one that lasts. Why Germans do that and Japanese stick to better quality? This may have to do with cost of labor. There is only so much you can do to add efficiency. German labor is simply most expensive, not just due to wages, but also additional costs, from social security, to taxes, to benefits. Only so much can be paid out of customer's money, before they refuse.
Bear also in mind that Mercedes Benz or BMW used to be trully exclusive brands, only for trully rich. They all have ambitions to sell more and more cars. Those cars are sold in milions. They may be "premium", but they are far cry from those 600 SEL from 60s or 70s in terms of cost and reach. Not to mention that advent of software companies that sell us undercooked and barely working products for high prices and taking no responsibility for it (Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, etc.) conditioned people to simply accept it when told, "what da ya want, it's new and experimental, it's software glitch".
#16856 of 16984 Re: Impressions of the 320i [robr2]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:16 am)
The price I'm quoting for the coupe was on the Caddy's web page.
The generation CTS was marketed towards the 5 series too but the size was too small, and if this one continues with this, it really has to grow... I have driven an XTS and that thing is between a 5 series and 7 series... The ATS is the new 3 series fighter but it is smaller in size..
#16857 of 16984 Re: First failure [m6user]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:21 am)
My 320i is telling me that my first service is due, 4-15-2015 at 15000 miles. Well over a year in service... As this is part of an experiment I will follow what BMW states as recommended to see what happens.
#16858 of 16984 Re: First failure [flightnurse]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:38 am)
I had same thing and asked about it (it was even showing 2 years from first oil change date). They told me the date is based not on paid schedule (which is 12 months), but on "latest" the car should come in the dealership in case somebody drives very low miles. You still can/should come at 12 months, even if the mileage is not up yet and they'll pay. They told me it just has to be at least 12 months plus 1 day. The April date seems just to latests to maintain your engine warranty.
BTW, I'm surprised it still says 15K miles. I did not check 320, but 328 and 335 are now at 12K/12M maintenance schedule, not 15K/12M. You could ask about it, perhaps make them repogram it, if your car qualifies for the changed schedule (mine does not).
#16859 of 16984 Re: First failure [m6user]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:44 am)
It is the mileage or 1 year. You are correct.
#16860 of 16984 Re: First failure [flightnurse]
Oct 23, 2013 (11:50 am)
Flight nurse - I'd get that checked out. I had a brand new 328xi (60 miles) & saw it needed service 10K.