Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16699 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [graphicguy]
Sep 26, 2013 (5:25 am)
Even with all the revisions, the 2013 TL (especially the 'Base' model) is not appealing to me in the least. It's not blatantly hideous like the 2009 version, but it's so bland looking down the boring wheel design. The Special Edition looks much better, IMO.
I went by the Acura dealer near my office last week and they had 11 or 12 2013 Base TL models lined up with $31,900 plastered on the windshield. They were all Bellanova White Pearl (Iridescent Beige) or Basque Red Pearl II (similar to the color of a bloodclot)! But they had one Graphite TL Special Edition on the showroom floor and it looked so much better!
I'm anxious to see what becomes of the TL/TSX (TLX?) in the near future....
#16700 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [graphicguy]
Sep 26, 2013 (10:24 am)
Having leased the original 335i (before kids) it was the best drive I ever had even tho it was in the shop for a blown accessory belt and the High Pressure Fuel pump. The service, loaner car and refund of a lease payment does offset the inconvenience.
I am jumping back into a sedan after a few years in the people mover - MDX. I can't decide on a daily driver that can handle east coast weather: S4, 335ix or CLA-45.
They all price out similarly - although the AMG is a smaller class and in high demand - pre-order wait lists.
S4: Bland styling (I had a 02 A4 1.8t and there hasn't been much change)
335ix - Been there, and now bogging it down with x-drive
AMG: Will it fit a booster and carseat?
My heart says AMG, accountant/Dad says 335 or S4. I am starting to feel too old for the AMG and maybe the S4 styling is aimed at my demographic.
#16701 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [sichin2000]
Sep 26, 2013 (12:00 pm)
S4: Bland styling (I had a 02 A4 1.8t and there hasn't been much change)
Just by your comment means you haven't driven one.
#16702 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [flightnurse]
Sep 26, 2013 (12:39 pm)
I took that statement referring to the design exclusively...meaning there hasn't been a dramatic change in design; such as the new impala compared to the old one.
Personally I feel it, the S4, is one of the best designs out there.
I'd image (haven't driven it) that the difference between the 1.8 and the S4 are worlds apart...
#16703 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [ivan_99]
Sep 26, 2013 (3:20 pm)
LOL, the difference between the 1.8 T and 2.0T is worlds apart if you ask me, and that's the 200 HP 2.0T version.
The current A4 has more power and torque yet, and well, the S4 uses the supercharged 3.0 V6.
To each there own, the CLA just doesn't do anything for me style wise, and I'm suspicious the interior will be downgraded quite a bit.
I wonder how the AMG version of the CLA will compare with the C63.
#16704 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [andres3]
Sep 26, 2013 (3:39 pm)
I know - it was just a frame of reference for styling and how Audi used to be the leader and now seems stale and now Benz is the most progressive.
No doubt, I had a loaner 2.0t and yes its worlds apart and 335i was galaxies apart. No S4 experience but I would guess it is a notch above 335 and the AMG will be the quickest if not most fun.
I saw the CLA in the showroom and the interior is clearly not the same as E class and probably on par in size with the 1.8t. Which is why I am reconsidering the S4 if for the same price I gain some comfyness and giving up some points in style. I am hoping as the S3 releases, Audi will be tweaking the S4 and maybe giving incentives.
#16705 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [sichin2000]
Sep 26, 2013 (4:10 pm)
For me I still can't get over how the C-class cars, (and I'm guessing the CLA) don't have body colored roof seams (or even better, no roof seam rails at all (ala VW/Audi).
BMW at least paints the plastic roof seam/rail trim. The remodel of the C-class interior recently was a pretty good job, thank goodness, the previous generation got outclassed by some economy cars.
I did like the way the rear drive sport C250 and C300 I test drove handled, but felt they were overpriced for what you got.
Sep 26, 2013 (6:34 pm)
The interior of the S4 with two options -- upgraded seats and the "pinstripe suit" dash trim is drop dead gorgeous.
Drive an S4 with the DSG transmission; put the transmission into "S" and be treated to mind reading awe inspiring performance -- without the torque vectoring rear (sport) diff even.
Feel -- or perhaps better said "sense" -- the car downshift as you slow, smoother than anyone could shift a stick and without any pause. There aren't enough o's in smoooth to describe this, it must be, begs to be driven. A deep well of torque awaits your command with zero lag -- whoosh, it is like upgrading your iPhone 5 to the new operating system and watching your email client make the jump to light speed.
Here is my regret -- the difference between the 2.0T and the 3.0T "A" and "S" 4 is a chasm a giant, deep and wide chasm. The A4 needs to be offered with the 3.0T engine as it is offered in the Q5 3.0T. Also, for some price, the DSG transmission ought to be offered on the 2.0T, the milder 3.0T and the wilder 3.0T (as it is already there).
Were Audi to offer the 8-speed tip and the 7-speed DSG across the board (of three engines), I would look forward to win after win after win for these sport ,sedans: the A4, the AS4 and the S4. Nice as the new IS 350 F Sport is, I would expect the AS4 and with absolute certainly the S4 to be seeing the IS's LED's in its rearview mirror.
And, for the money -- in this league -- the S4 and the 335 would be competitive (with each other, at least). Of course the IS and even the ATS can certainly be considered the value leaders; yet, the Q50/S is already so highly subvented (and it is likely to remain thus until its issues are behind it) that even with its faults is an attractive alternative for those who want an upscale high content premium car.
A friend of mine used to say Audi's are for the left-brainers and BMW's are for the right-brainers -- meaning that "programmers" drove Audis and the Vice-president of Sales drove BMWs. I think now the Q50 has become the "programmers" [geek squad] car and, well, these days "everyone wants to be Audi."
Treat yourself -- take a nice long test drive in a 2014 S4 with the DSG transmission -- you may be worthy. Me? I'm still not worthy -- but I'm working on it.
#16707 of 16984 Re: New and improved, now with even less love! [sichin2000]
Sep 27, 2013 (5:28 am)
335i vs S4. Have owned both. S4 wins.
I've test driven Benzs in the past. Almost pulled the trigger on a c350 4 matic coupe that the (then) GF wanted. I agree. For that money, you can get an S5.
I also looked at a C300 before I bought the 335i. Once again, I could never see the MB being able to match, let alone exceed, the drive of the BMW for the same money.
CLA is a lesser version of all those cars, even in AMG guise.
Personally, I'd test drive the S4. As others have said, that's what will hook you. I'd also look at the IS350, for no other reason than all the positive press it has received, just to see if it fits what you're looking for.
#16708 of 16984 Check out early reviews of upcoming A3
Sep 27, 2013 (8:13 am)
The CLA has been the cause of a decent amount of journalistic drool for months and months and months. The tarted up version has caused some who write about cars and get paid for doing so to be unabashedly aroused, in fact.
Check out the comments about the upcoming A3 -- I don't have them right in front of me, but the gist is something like "the new A3 is everything we all wanted the CLA to be -- and there is an S3 version coming shortly after the A3 quattro hits showrooms next year."
Can't believe I'm saying this: IMHO, BMW -- a brand that I love AND think is breathtakingly expensive -- looks like a bargain compared to any Mercedes I can think of. Would love to see an S4 reviewed side by side with a comparably PRICED Mercedes.
The S4 would be high contented compared to the Merc and the S4 would make the worthy opposition sweat.
Me? Again, I am looking for content and performance and bang for the buck. Hate to say it, but the IS 350 F-Sport makes a compelling case (when compared to even the god-like S4).
You know, all the criticism about Infiniti and Lexus bringing out new cars with "old" engines does have merit. But, even so, the IS 350 seems to win the pros over in spite of its "old" engine. I get sweaty palms just imagining what would happen if Lexus told its engineers to make the requisite changes to the 350's powerplant to allow it to accept either a super or turbo charger.
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