Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 7:58 AM
You are in the Sedans
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16581 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [dino001]
Sep 04, 2013 (7:03 am)
dino...couldn't agree more. The subsidized financing is what allows manufacturers to sell more and more cars, which masking the price increases.
I can see my own automotive trend over the years. I always put a budget on what I'd pay for a car, based on what I could afford. First, (probably in the late '80s when I bought my first new car) it was $30K. That amount would net me a very nice car.
In the late '90s it balooned to $40K.
Now, I'm well into the $50K budget.
However, I expect more now than I did when I bought my first car, too. Back then, all I wanted was a comfortable, reliable car (which meant a Honda or a Toyota). Now, I want performance. I want luxury. I want reliability. I want all the tech stuff. I want the state of the art suspensions and transmissions. I want good build quality. I want top notch materials. I want styling. I want good fuel efficency. All that costs something.
That leads me to the most recent cars I've had....BMW, Audi, Acura.
Some embody those traits better than others. As of right now, I'm understanding what something like a TL has that I've missed from the German marks. Of course, you won't win many drag races with a TL like you will with an S4, either.
I'm betting that at some point, with the 3 series at least, the Acuras and the Lexi will be able to make another inroad to the German territory (as they did in the '80s) given the price deltas and the softening of the 3.
#16582 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [billyperksii]
Sep 04, 2013 (10:26 am)
Ten years ago we were spending mid twenties for an average car-its called inflation, basic economics.
I don't know, I bought a new Accord EXL a month ago with heated leather, roof, LDW, FCW, backup and blind spot camera, etc. 39 mpg on a highway trip last Friday. Paid under $26k. Seems like there is good value in the market if you look for it.
#16583 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [tifighter]
Sep 04, 2013 (12:45 pm)
I bought the same car ten years ago for 22800 out the door.
#16584 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [tifighter]
Sep 04, 2013 (12:50 pm)
Secondly, ten years ago I bought a TL Type S brand spanking new for 29,050. Try buying a base TL for that today.
#16585 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [tifighter]
Sep 04, 2013 (12:57 pm)
Paid under $26k. Seems like there is good value in the market if you look for it.
Nobody said there wasn't value out there but the average price paid for a 2013 model is $31K.
#16586 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [tifighter]
Sep 04, 2013 (12:58 pm)
Passats are also still very good buys.
But this thread is on entry level lux performance sedans. Prices for these type of cars have not been stable. Inflation, coupled with new content is the reason. The new A4 I just picked up is a rolling WiFi hotspot for crying out loud. The prices can quickly shoot through the roof because often enough, your "must have" will be bundled up in a $3K to $4k option package. BMW is notorious for doing this, but Audi is guilty as well.
#16587 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [billyperksii]
Sep 04, 2013 (1:02 pm)
$22,800 in 2003 is $28946 in 2013 dollars. The 13 has more space, is safer, better equipped and gets better mileage.
I bought cars 10 years ago too. I'm happy with what I got for my money in 2013.
#16588 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [kmur]
Sep 04, 2013 (1:08 pm)
I realize what the thread is about. What was said was-
I think it's ridiculous the average American spends mid 30's for an average new car.
I'm just saying that a well-equipped Accord is a mid-twenties car and is the epitome of an average new car. I think higher average transaction prices are as much on the consumer as the manufacturer...they are buying more CUVs with higher margins, they are more brand conscious, etc. The market just continues to evolve.
#16589 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [tifighter]
Sep 04, 2013 (1:13 pm)
According to the Auto Dealers Association the average transactions as of Nov 2012 was right at $30k. That is a not mid-thirties.
#16590 of 16984 Re: i think rear cameras are a good idea... [m6user]
Sep 04, 2013 (1:24 pm)
No argument here.