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#16552 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [m6user]
Aug 30, 2013 (9:42 am)
Stop eating fries for a week and you'll save that one pound a rear camera will cost you
#16553 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [ivan_99]
Aug 30, 2013 (10:28 am)
I include myself in the comment about eating fries.
#16554 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [m6user]
Aug 30, 2013 (10:40 am)
Unless the camera is wireless, I bet there's way more than one pound involved in adding a camera.
Saving lives? As one clever poster put it, I already have that feature, it's called looking through your windows and where you are going, and into your mirrors; being aware of your surroundings.
What happens when someone with a back up camera kills a kid or dog because they back up into it? Just because there is a TV screen in the middle console doesn't mean I have to look at it.
I'm sure it has already happened numerous times.
Has anyone here ever actually used their back up cam, and after using their eyes (turning your head to look back), and then looked at the screen and seen something they missed?
#16555 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [sweendogy]
Aug 30, 2013 (10:43 am)
$58 to $203 dollars in cost probably translates into $116 to $406 dollars in price.
If you like it so much, why don't you offer to pay for it on all your neighbors and friends' cars?
30lbs here, 30lbs there, soon you have 4,000 lb compact cars!
#16556 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [m6user]
Aug 30, 2013 (11:14 am)
I remember a few years ago, I think it was Mazda RX8, advertised their weight savings measures...such as drilled pedals.
While they looked cool...I thought that those few ounces wouldn't help much...especially given the huge weight disparity between me and the 'average' person
#16557 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [andres3]
Aug 30, 2013 (11:16 am)
Yeah. low voltage wire weighs a lot. Are you for real? A camera and mounting probably weighs half a lb. and the wire another half a pound or so. Ok, maybe the whole thing weighs two lbs. You're right, that would like cut .000001 off your 0-60 time.
As far as saving lives, yeah I think it can save lives. How many does it have to save before you would consider it? I have a p/u that I back out of my driveway and in my neighborhood I have a lot of rugrats running up and down the sidewalk I back through on their big wheels, etc. I check, double check and triplecheck all my mirrors and stop a couple of times when backing out. A rearview camera would make it a lot easier to see right down behind me. It would make it safer, easier and much quicker to back out of my driveway. I have a backup camera on my new Acura and it works great. Didn't care for it all that much at first but now that I've gotten use to using it I like it a lot. Do I rely on it entirely.....of course not. Your comments seem pretty extreme. And in answer to your last question. No, I haven't. Do you have any data that suggests this happens a lot?
#16558 of 16982 Re: backup cameras are nice [andres3]
Aug 30, 2013 (11:18 am)
Just because there is a TV screen in the middle console doesn't mean I have to look at it.
My wife has the backup camera and backed up into a Bentley Continental GT. I used to think the auto-braking system were really lame...but now see their usefulness.
#16559 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [andres3]
Aug 30, 2013 (1:23 pm)
You have hit rock bottom with the responses. Sorry man, this has "leader ad" defeat written all over it- you should do a little research on the benefits of rear camera, no one is saying they take the place of common sense driver but as an aid to save lives they cannot be ignored. - and as of now no one will force you to have one- but time will come like seatbelts and airbags where they will be mandatory in the states on new cars.
Drive fast, take chances.
#16561 of 16982 Safety Tech overkill?
Aug 30, 2013 (3:37 pm)
I traded in a 2007 Explorer on a 2012 Mazda CX-9 last year. The CX-9 came with a standard Rearview Backup Camera. The Explorer had Rear Park Assist (Sonar) that would beep when it deetected an obstacle and the frequency of the beeps would increase as you got closer to it.
Initially, I thought the CX-9's camera would be useless. After nine months, I've discovered that it's actually DANGEROUS! If I'm looking at the display in the dash as I back up, I lose most/all peripheral vision to my left side and don't see oncoming vehicles. I just ignore it now and use my mirrors and look over my shoulder instead....
Mazda added the Rear Backup Sensors and a feature called Rear Cross Traffic Alert to the the 2013 model. I bought my 2012 model barely a month before the 2013 was released....the story of my llife!
The Rear Cross Traffic Alert is actually a very interesting and useful feature, IMO. Mazda was one of the first companies to install a Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) system. It was introduced on the 2008 model on the high-end Grand Touring trim level. When I bought my 2012, I chose the Grand Touring because of the 20" wheels and chrome door handles (sad, but true) and it came with a lot of other features ranging from Blind Spot Monitoring to Rain-Sensing Wipers. At worst, I planned to turn off anything that I didn't like or annoyed me.
The BSM, in particular, sounded ridiculous to me. I figured it was just a case of using technology for technology's sake and nothing more. After nine months and 13k miles living with it, I don't think I'll ever buy another vehicle without it!
I've always thought that blind spots only existed because the vast majority of drivers have no idea how to properly adjust their mirrors. But it turns out that a ful-size CUV/SUV (such as my CX-9) can have hidden spots at the rear corners that I can't see no matter how my mirrors are adjusted. I don't think the BSM or any other techno feature should be trusted 100% and replace common sense and paying attention behind the wheel, but I now see that they can work in conjunction with those.
In my CX-9, when a vehicle is detected by one of the cameras mounted under the rear bumper on both sides, a yellow warning symbol lights up in the top corner of the mirror on that side of the car. If I signal a lane change while a vehicle is detected, a loud series of warning beeps and flashing light on the instrument panel lets me know that someone is back there.
Whenever I'm changing lanes, I always do a quick over the shoulder glance just to be certain that it's clear and the BSM doesn't change that. But even when I have no intention of changing lanes, I find it very useful to always know what's going all around me at all times. Those little yellow warning lights on the mirrors make sure that I always know who or what is around me and I recently discovered that having that knowledge can prevent a serious acccident!
I was driving on I-75 North in Metro Atlanta a few weeks ago following a truck loaded with tree stumps and limbs. With no warning, one of those massive oak stumps tumbled right off the back of the truck and I was going 75mph just one hundred feet or so behind it. I reflexively swerved and avoided it, but swerved to the right rather than the left which woudl have my instinct. But I went to the right because 10-15 seconds earlier, I noticed the BSM warning light on my driver's side mirror in my peripheral vision. Without BSM, I would have went to the left and hit that vehicle!
That experience gave me an ever higher level of appreciation for BSM. It also made me very thankful that I was driving a CX-9 instead of my previous Explorer or most new SUVs of similr size. I don't think anything else could have handled a high-speed emergency maneuver like that without losing control....Zoom, Zoom!
Back to the Rear Cross Traffic Alert feature I mentioned earlier....the BSM cameras scan for oncomoing vehicles when the vehicle is in Reverse and alerts you if it detects anything. For backing out of blind parking spots, it's a god-send. I wish my 2012 had it.
But there are many new 'safety' features showing up on new cars that are way 'over the top'! One of my favorites is on the 2014 Mazda6 known by the acronym FOW. FOW stands for Forward Obstruction Warning, which uses laser sensors mounted behind the front grille to scan the road ahead for obstacles (cars, people, debris) and alerts the driver if it detects something. Every car I've owned, starting way back with my '85 CRX has featured FOW also- it's called a WINDSHIELD!!! You look out of it and, if something is in your way, you stop or go around it....problem solved!
Mazda takes it even further, though. If the FOW system doesn't think the driver has time to respond or no evasive action is taken based on the warning, the system will cut the throttle and apply full braking force automatically!
If you need a car to do all of that for you, you're too dumb or too lazy to drive! The same goes for freakin' Rain-Sensing Wipers....