Last post on Dec 04, 2013 at 8:41 AM
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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16537 of 16982 Re: BMW having parts issues [sweendogy]
Aug 28, 2013 (5:54 am)
The parts shortage was created by the implementation of a new supply chain logistics IT system that started in 2009. They are a year behind in implementing and it has affected their ability to manufacture parts on time. Unfortunately, once the switch is thrown, it's not easy to turn back.
It reminds me of a company in my industry that suffered a fire at their main factory. They had plans of implementing a new manufacturing IT system around the same time. They rebuilt the factory and implemented the new system concurrently. Needless to say it took them close to a year to get things running smoothly.
#16538 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [sweendogy]
Aug 28, 2013 (11:43 am)
but shouldn't it be standard equipment on all cars ?
I absolutely don't think so, and would be 100% against that. 100% option availability is OK. Those that want to increase the weight (which reduces gas mileage by the way) and add cameras, computers, wiring, cabling, and monitors to their cars, by all means do so and pay for it.
But it should not be forced upon those that don't want or need it.
We are beginning to make cars so safe no one can afford to buy one anymore.
#16539 of 16982 Re: BMW having parts issues [sweendogy]
Aug 28, 2013 (12:35 pm)
Sween- Are you going to swap the G35 for the Q?
#16540 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [andres3]
Aug 28, 2013 (12:37 pm)
Yep you are right lets strip the abs and airbags out as well.
A mainstream sedan that sells very well, is putting them as standard equipment - nuff said
#16541 of 16982 Re: BMW having parts issues [billyperksii]
Aug 28, 2013 (1:10 pm)
Will watch reviews and access pricing.
#16542 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [sweendogy]
Aug 28, 2013 (2:47 pm)
I find ABS and Airbags useful (although I've never had an airbag actually be used for me; knock on wood).
ABS has been used countless times though; sometimes just for fun in an empty parking lot.
The Accord does have backup camera as standard now, but the 2013 is a new feature-laden model from Honda.
I actually considered the Accord Sport and the S4 lately. I could order the S4 without a backup camera, and did so. Not that the camera was the deciding factor, but I appreciated not being forced into it by Audi. Audi got my money; Honda didn't; nuff said.
#16543 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [andres3]
Aug 28, 2013 (6:06 pm)
Not the best responce I crosses shopped the accord vs s4 - 2 cars which are 30 grand apart at the start. Congrats on the s4 but the counter wow really.
Forced into a safety feature - did you also delete the seatbelt for the "weight savings? "
"Audi got my money" hahah
Best of luck- lets not back into anything yah hear.
#16544 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [sweendogy]
Aug 29, 2013 (3:10 pm)
Yes, they are nearly 30K apart; however I was cross shopping due to possibility of:
1) keeping my souped up modified A3 for the track toy and beat it to death until it dies at some point, and buy something economical, reliable, and comfortable
2) get a new car that can do it all (be tracked), and be a nice luxurious daily driver at the same time.
While the Accord passed the daily driver test, it could not be tracked. Not even a 280 HP FWD version could legitimately be tracked. That didn't stop me from thinking about option 1 being a possible route to take though.
The TL-SH-AWD Tech package has the back up cam, probably why it costs $3,500 for the Tech option that has some things I liked, but at that added price the S4 seemed like more bang for the buck to me. The TL-SH-AWD needed to be about $2K less with the tech package to steal a deal from me; not having a back up cam gets them partly there.
#16545 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [sweendogy]
Aug 29, 2013 (3:13 pm)
Are you really comparing a seat belt to a back up camera?
The seat belt is in use every second you are in the car (or close to it). The back up camera only when you are in reverse.
I'd say I spend less than 1% of my time in a car with the gear selector in reverse.
#16546 of 16982 Re: I'd Pay More Extra for Dash Cam [andres3]
Aug 29, 2013 (4:38 pm)
You didn't pick up the sarcasm?
The argument you present is very weak - I understand you not wanting to pay extra for ala cart options and "Audi has your money" but like I stated before the accord which can be had for less then 20 grand has it standard- no options - no money needed to add.(true car says you can get a manual sport for 21,6 btw) Sure some cost is passed to customer- "A camera adds $58 to $203 to the cost of a car or truck, depending on whether the vehicle already has a video display, according to a NHTSA study from 2010." The weight issue - really- how much we talking. 30lbs? Do you know there is legislation to have it mandatory on all new cars in the near future, so lucky you got the S4 this year.
Better engage the quatro because you have a couple of wheels spinning.
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